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jogendrasingh
For last few years it has been obsearved that during end-of-the-year
there are earth-quakes on various belts.

In fact this is the time when earth incline again towards the sun.
during this activity , the earth-plates do not maintain the balance and
the world face all such unhappenings.

So far unbalancing of earth-plate is concern , these might be on account of
gradually going down of the Oil / mines and all other earth-properties
which were provided to earth for keeping the earth balanced and complete.

But we have fetched all the valuable - properities for our
commercial purposes.
rpenner
I'm not sure there is evidence for a statistically significant signal of clustering at the end of the gregorian (western) calendar.



http://www.seismicity.segs.uwa.edu.au/world_seismicity

CODE
     2001 2002 2003 2004  Total
Jan     2    0    1    0      3
Feb     1    1    1    3      6
Mar     0    2    0    0      2
Apr     0    0    0    0      0
May     0    0    2    0      2
Jun     1    1    0    0      2
Jul     0    0    0    1      1
Aug     0    0    1    0      1
Sep     0    0    1    1      2  
Oct     0    1    0    1      2
Nov     0    0    0    0      0
Dec     0    0    3    1*     4

   * = This point added by me.


So, the hypothesis that over the last 4 years, the last 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 months have more major earthquakes than any other non-overlapping period is specifically rejected.

1-month average: 2.083

1-month worst: Feb
2-month worst: Jan-Feb
3-month worst: Jan-Mar
4-month worst: Jan-Apr > Sep-Dec
5-month worst: Jan-May > Aug-Dec
6-month worst: Jan-Jun > Jul-Dec
rpenner
The deepest mine in the world is about 3.5 km.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/YefimCavalier.shtml

Oil wells may be greater than 10km.

But these are rare.

The Northern Indonesian Earthquake was estimated at 10km-35km deep which is quite shallow for an earthquake.

http://www.earthquakeinfo.org/latest.htm

http://iisee.kenken.go.jp/special/2004sumatra.htm

http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~jichen/Earthqu.../aceh/aceh.html

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/usslav.htm

So a model of physical causation based on man's activities seems ruled out.

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A model based on karmic causation or divine judgement also seems ruled out by the presence on Earth of rich and corrupt people. The majority of those that suffer are poor and uninfluential.

In the United States, the election of George W. Bush in 2000 was decided by a close contest in the State of Florida. In 2004, 5 hurricanes hit this flattest of the 50 United States. The outcome of the 2004 election was the reelection of George W. Bush, and few rich or influential persons personally suffered.

Therefore, the conclusion that the "crimes against the earth" causes human suffering is not as supported as "poor people who live near coastlines are at risk."
z
Hi,

There was an almost full moon at the time of the quake and the earth is nearing its closest approach to the sun.

These may be factors.

z
rpenner
California research indicates that records of 13,000 quakes over a 25 year period, revealled perhaps a 2% correlation with tidal stresses in the plane of motion for a particular fault. The perhaps is because the effect is rather small for the sample size. Earthquakes happen in every lunar phase.

Solar tides are smaller than lunar tides.

If confirmed, then this is not a strong enough effect to predict earthquakes, as major earthquakes do not happen on every lunar cycle.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/tidequak.html

Absence of earthquake correlation with Earth tides; an indication of high preseismic fault stress rate
z
Hi,

I wasn't really thinking of earthquake prediction.

My idea is that the added gravitational stesses, however slight may at times trigger earthquakes, even causing them to be larger than they might otherwise have been.

z
ARtone
I wouldnt think anything we earthlings do effects plate techtonics, however the moons continuous lifting and lowering the ground by 3ft approx as it passes over might well be a long term driving force it may even be keeping the core molten.

AR
AMIT.J.DAVE
QUOTE (z+Dec 31 2004, 06:45 PM)
Hi,

There was an almost full moon at the time of the quake and the earth is nearing its closest approach to the sun.

These may be factors.


DEAR SIR
YES.IT IS PARTIALLY TRUE. FOLLOWING ARE REASONS FOR THIS S.E.ASIA QUAKE
1. PLANET[MERCURY] CHANGING THE DERICTION .ANY PLANET WHEN CHANGES DERICTION IT CHANGES THE INTERNAL MOMENTUM .
2. IN ADDITION IF THERE IS A FULLMOON IT INCREASES THE PULL.
3. MOON ON EQUATOR OR AT MAXIMUM DECLINATION
INCREASES THE CHANCES.
4. ALL FULL MOON ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR QUAKE.HOWEVER IT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST TRIGGER.
WATCH PLANETS CHANGING DERICTION FROM DIRCT TO RETROGATE OR VICE VERSA AND FUUL MOON ,NEW MOON COINSIDING.
THAKING YOU
A.J.DAVE'
e mail amitjdave@yahoo.com

DEAR SIR
PLANETS CHANGING DERICTION AND FUUL MOON COMBINE ARE RESPOSIBLE FOR THE S.E.ASIA QUAKE.
TAHNKS
A.J.DAVE
e mail amitjdave@yahoo.com
rpenner
Ahem.

The motion of the planets is not mysterious, and is known well in advance. Therefore if what you say is true, there should have been PREDICTIONS of the Earthquake. Then YOU are responsible for not evacuating the Sri Lankan coastline. Congratulations.

I point out that May 5, 2000 was supposed to be the great disaster day.

The May 5, 2000 Planetary Alignment and Its Destructive Potential

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California scientists actually calculated to forces due to tides on fault lines and observed a possible 2% effect in triggering the built-up stresses. Mercury's tide is less than one millionth as times as strong as the moon's.

That means that 98%-100% of quake triggering is NOT RELATED TO ASTRONOMY.
jogendrasingh

Hi , Guys.

Let me recall little points.

Nobody , spoke on the main points , which I wanted to highlight.

Earth-Properities (Oils/Mines etc.) , are provided to Earth , like -
body-Oragns to human-body for a perfect functioning of The Body.

would someone , like to share his/her thoughts in this direction?
Guest
I happened upon this site and must admit I was amused. Earthquakes do not occur because of karma or astronomical conditions. Any fifth grade student who pays attention in class and reads their text will correctly tell you that friction builds up between the plates and from time to time releases energy in the form of earthquakes. The plates have been moving for billions of years. Just look at the fossil record.
rpenner
QUOTE (rpenner+Dec 31 2004, 01:21 AM)
The deepest mine in the world is about 3.5 km.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/YefimCavalier.shtml

Oil wells may be greater than 10km.

But these are rare.

The Northern Indonesian Earthquake was estimated at 10km-35km deep which is quite shallow for an earthquake.

http://www.earthquakeinfo.org/latest.htm

http://iisee.kenken.go.jp/special/2004sumatra.htm

http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~jichen/Earthqu.../aceh/aceh.html

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/usslav.htm

So a model of physical causation based on man's activities seems ruled out.
The active plate tectonics, bacterial action and surface weathering mean that the Earth concentrates minerals in places. Humans mine these. Oil results from the same crustal movements. Oil and concentrated surface minerals serve no purpose to the workings of the interior of the Earth.

Nowhere does this physical description mean that the Earth is alive. Life is just a scuzzy patina of oxidation on this nickel-iron world. Man's activities are insignificant to the movement of the plates and the deeper circulations of magma.

The worst man can do is poison the air and water until man can no longer live here. The Earth would not respond to that event.
ARtone
Hi last guest

yes we know that the question is why do the plates move and what keeps the core molten?

AR
jogendrasingh
It seems . least people are intreseted to Drill it down.

I think there would someone who can put the view regarding Earth-Properities and
the importance of these properities for Earth as wel as other concerns.

Coz , the properities-provision to Earth by God , can't be just an incidence.

regards.
Guest_MS
Have you seen the movie "The Core" ? ... ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814/ ).

May be that underwater earthquake was a deliberate attempt / attack.

When neuclear bomb is blasted, then its energy gets tranferred through the earth and earthquake pops up, not only at the blast site but also at other possible (deep tectonically) connected sites.

there are many ways to obtain these type of data, and already have been done also.

(probably,) as it happened at the (area of) two colliding tectonic plate, CoverUp was very easy.

or, may be, the old ( lava flowing from deep earth ) path ( / pressure zone ) is shifting toward north-west ... like Hawaii. Deep pressure/molten core is trying to find a new way to reach surface.

(may be) Himalay / Mt. Everest is getting more higher (at higher rate), because of those two colliding tectonic plates.

may be a real sign of changing of zodiac era.

we need free press and flow of truthful information.


Guest_MS
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First, a moment to reflect on the hundreds of thousands who lost their lives in the terror of a Tsunami wave.
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Another Discussion & Info Source here in this forum :

Tsunami by Quake? Bomb? Comet? EM? ( - Science & Technolgy Group )
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread111242/pg1
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The QED Earthquake Bulletin ( List Of Current EarthQuakes ) :
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
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US Geological Survey Report :

26th of December, 2004
Today's shallow, thrust-type earthquake occurred off the west coast of northern Sumatra at the interface between the India and Burma plates. In this region, the Burma plate is characterized by significant strain partitioning due to oblique convergence of the India and Australia plates to the west and the Sunda and Eurasian plates to the east. Off the west coast of northern Sumatra, the India plate is moving in a northeastward direction at about 5 cm per year relative to the Burma plate. The devastating megathrust earthquake of December 26th, 2004 occurred on the interface of the India and Burma plates and was cause by the release of stresses that develop as the India plate subducts beneath the overriding Burma plate. The India plate begins its decent into the mantle at the Sunda trench which lies to the west of the earthquake's epicenter. The trench is the surface expression of the India-Burma plate interface. The tectonics of the region is complex and involves the interaction of the Australian, Sunda and Eurasian plates in addition to the India and Burma plate. The India and Australia plates move northeastwards at a rate of about 6 cm/year relative to the Burma plate. This results in oblique convergence at the Sunda trench. Some of this oblique motion is accommodated on the right-lateral transform faults and rifts that separate the Burma and Sunda plates.

ANOTHER EARTHQUAKE :

Magnitude 8.7 Northern Sumatra, INDONESIA
Monday, March 28, 2005 at 16:09:36 UTC
Preliminary Earthquake Report : U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center, World Data Center for Seismology, Denver.

The earthquake of March 28, 2005 occurred principally on the interface of the Australia plate and Sunda plate and was caused by the release of stresses that develop as the Australia plate subducts beneath the overriding Sunda plate. The Australia plate begins its descent into the mantle at the Sunda trench, which lies to the southwest of the earthquake's epicenter. At this latitude, the trench is the surface expression of the plate interface between the Australia plate and the Sunda plate.

In the region of the earthquake, the Australia plate moves toward the northeast at a rate of about 5 cm/year relative to the Sunda plate. This results in oblique convergence at the Sunda trench. The oblique motion is partitioned into thrust-faulting, which occurs on the plate-interface and which involves slip directed perpendicular to the trench, and strike-slip faulting, which occurs several hundred kilometers northeast of the trench and involves slip directed parallel to the trench. The March 28 earthquake occurred as the result of thrust faulting. This earthquake was likely triggered by stress changes caused by the December 2004 (M9.0) earthquake. However, it occurred on a segment of the fault 100 miles (160 kilometers) to the southeast of the rupture zone of the M9.0 Sumatra earthquake.

The counter-clockwise rotation of the new Australian plate in relation to the Indian Plate has led to compression in the Eastern boundary near Indonesia and tension in teh Western part of the new plate. The series of earth quakes that took place were on teh eastern boundary of the new plate. The India and Australia plates move northeastwards at a rate of about 6 cm/year relative to the Burma plate. This results in oblique convergence at the Sunda trench.

The most recent magnitude 8+ earthquake in the immediate region of this earthquake occurred in 1861. The 1861 earthquake generated a regionally destructive tsunami. Another earthquake of similar magnitude occurred further south in 1833.

Tsunami from 9.0 magnitude undersea earthquake in Sumatra devastated coastal areas and killed over 180,000 across Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, India, Maldives, Myanmar, and Somalia and dozens of other areas.

Two earthquakes on same day :
12/26/2004_00:58:50_UTC_Magnitude_9__West Cost Of Northern Sumatra, Indonesia.
12/26/2004_04:21:25_UTC_Magnitude_7.5_Nicobar Islands, India.

More Info :
http://www.rpi.edu/~mccafr/sumatra04/
http://www.miqel.com/tsunami-asia-historic...-solutions.html
http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/
http://www.olympus.net/personal/gofamily/q.../32804quake.gif
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The word "Tsunami" is Japanese for "Harbour Wave".
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Causes of Tsunamis :
Shallow undersea earthquakes are responsible for most tsunamis though at time landslides triggered by smaller seismic events can also generated potentially lethal waves. Strong earthquakes cause a displacement of the crust. When they occur underwater, this crustal movement disturbs a large volume of water like a giant paddle and ripples spread out in all directions at speeds of 600-800 kilometres per hour, comparable to commercial aircraft. In the open ocean, they go unnoticed but once they reach shallower waters they slow down and begin to crest. The waves thus given rise to are known as "Tsunamis". They are scientifically described as a series of very long wavelength ocean waves caused by the sudden displacement of water by earthquakes, landslides, or submarine slumps and are mostly caused by earthquakes of magnitude 7.5 or greater. The run-up of a tsunami is the maximum height above normal sea level up to which the water level rose during a tsunami.
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Nuclear seismology :
An underground nuclear explosion sets up a shock wavenear the point of detonation which interacts with the sur-rounding geological medium. This shock wave vaporizes, melts, plastically deforms and fractures the surrounding rocks and then degenerates into elastic waves. Only asmall portion of the total energy released by an under-ground explosion is converted into seismic waves. Theratio of the elastic wave energy to the total energy is known as seismic efficiency. The seismic efficiency depends on the physical characteristics of the surrounding medium and the source parameters. The seismic waves produced by an underground explosion travel through thebody of the earth as well as along its surface. The waves that propagate through the body of the earth are called body waves which comprise compressional P waves and shear S waves. At short distances (up to 2000 km) from the source the path of the body waves is through the crust and top portion of upper mantle and these waves areknown as regional seismic waves. The waves observed beyond 2000 km which travel through the fairly homo-geneous mantle and the core, are termed as teleseismic waves. Theoretically, in an isotropic medium, P waves travel with a velocity √3 times that of the S waves and the frequency content of P waves is usually higher than thatof S waves. Among surface waves, two groups of waves, viz. Rayleigh ® waves, with vertical elliptic particle motion along the direction of wave propagation and the Love (L)waves, with horizontally polarized shear motion perpen-dicular to the direction of propagation are seen promi-nently at regional distances. The period of R waves varies from 3 s to 200 s. At regional distances, higher mode Love and Raleigh waves, called Lg waves, form strong group of arrivals before the fundamental mode Love waves with an average velocity of 3.5 km/s. The short period Lg waves from explosions are predominant in the frequency band of 0.2 to 1 Hz and have in general large amplitudes among the regional phases. It may be pointed out that the surface features produced by an underground explosion are heavily dependent upon the geo-physical properties of rock medium in the vicinity of the explosion and which may also vary from place to place even in thesame testing range.
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Very Interesting info / site ...

Some Historical Notes : - valdostaMuseum.org
History Of Our Known Universe and Planet Earth :
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Hist.html

Early Human Civilization :
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/oldciv.html
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Movie "MeltDown" , "Deep Core" , "The Core"
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"Israel-India nuke test caused tsunami." - Sepia Mutiny.
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/000900.html
The earthquake that struck the Indian Ocean on December 26, triggering a series of huge waves called tsunami, “was possibly” caused by an Indian nuclear experiment in which “Israeli and American nuclear experts participated,” an Egyptian weekly magazine reported Thursday. Since 1992, the magazine argued, leading geological centers in Britain, Turkey and other countries, warned of the need “not to hold nuclear experiments in the region of the Indian Ocean known as ‘the Fire Belt,’ in which the epicenter of the earthquake lies.
Sepia Mutiny reader Julie T alerts us to others : “There’s a lot more to this. Why is the US sending a warship? Why is a senior commander who was in Iraq going there?” whispered designer Mark Tyler, drinking a pint of beer at a bar in Hong Kong’s Wan Chai district. “This happened exactly a year after Bam,” said Tyler, referring to the earthquake in Iran which killed 30,000 on December 26 last year(2003). “Is that a coincidence? And there was no previous seismic activity recorded in Sumatra before the quake, which is very strange,” he said, nodding sombrely.
… Among the more common suggestions is that eco-weapons, which can trigger earthquakes and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves, were being tested. More outlandish theories include one that aliens caused the earthquake to try and correct the “wobbly rotation of the Earth”.

Other info sources :
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread111242/pg1
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E1702,00.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1104981578311
http://whackingday.com/permarch_jan05/4jan05.htm
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/peace/...viro.html#under
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Reports/India/IndiaEvents.shtml
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1388781/posts
http://www.motherearth.org/nuke/info3.php
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One of the Member of "Sepia Mutiny" posted this below comment/info :
cameron on January 20, 2005 12:53 PM.
Professor Gary T. Whiteford is a geography professor at the University of New Brunswick in Canada. He has done extensive research concerning the correlation of underground nuclear explosions directly causing EARTHQUAKES. In April of 1989, Professor Whiteford presented his research paper titled NUCLEAR BOMBS and EARTHQUAKES-DANGEROUS PATTERNS and TRENDS to the 2nd annual United Nation and World Peace Conference held in Seattle, Washington. Professor Whiteford personally distributed 50 copies of his Research Thesis at this conference. His Fax email.

This also might explain why the U.S. Military-State Dept., even tho having advance warning of the Tsunami failed to warn the appropriate South East Asian officials.
US had advance warning of tsunami: Canadian professor --A Canadian expert has claimed that the US Military and the State Department were given advance tsunami warning and American Navy base on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was notified but the information was not passed on to the countries that bore the brunt of the disaster. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa asks in an analysis produced for the Venus Project why fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand were not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department.
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Early Warnings :
While earthquakes could not be predicted in advance, once the earthquake was detected it was possible to give about 3 hours of notice of a potential Tsunami. Such a system of warnings is in place across the Pacific Ocean but not in the Indian Ocean. In addition, coastal dwellers are educated in the Pacific littoral to get to high ground quickly following tremors and waves.

More Info :
http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/
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... warning ... !!?? " Tsunami WARNING " ... ???? which happens right after an earthquake ... ??? .... ( or, in another language, ... move our own people ...tsunami coming ... but let the others die !! ... don't tell/alert them to move !! this will be our way of attack ... )
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Tsunami warning systems and tide gauges exist around the Pacific Ocean, for the Pacific Rim as well as South America. The United States has such warning centers in Hawaii and Alaska operated by the U.S. Geological Survey.
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Records from the US Geological Survey

Earthquake location and magnitude as detected / recorded by the US Geological Services Earth Quake Network provided the sequence of Earthquakes with those in Red being above 6.0 in the Richter Scale.
MAP 6.3 2004/12/26 11:05:01 13.542 92.877 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 6.2 2004/12/26 10:19:30 13.455 92.791 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 6.5 2004/12/26 09:20:01 8.867 92.382 10.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.8 2004/12/26 07:38:25 13.119 93.051 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.7 2004/12/26 07:07:10 10.336 93.756 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.7 2004/12/26 06:21:58 10.623 92.323 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 7.3 2004/12/26 04:21:26 6.901 92.952 10.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 6.1 2004/12/26 03:08:42 13.808 92.974 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.9 2004/12/26 02:59:12 3.177 94.259 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
MAP 6.0 2004/12/26 02:51:59 12.511 92.592 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.8 2004/12/26 02:36:06 12.139 93.011 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.8 2004/12/26 02:34:50 4.104 94.184 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
MAP 6.0 2004/12/26 02:22:02 8.838 92.532 10.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.8 2004/12/26 02:15:58 12.375 92.509 10.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
MAP 5.9 2004/12/26 01:48:47 5.393 94.423 10.0 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
MAP 8.9 2004/12/26 00:58:51 3.298 95.779 10.0 OFF THE WEST COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
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The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center Detected the Earthquake and after 15 minutes issued a communique to Pacific Islands saying that there shall be no threats to them and also advises that there is a Tsunami watch going on but not an alert. 65 minutes later a second communique repeats the same information and says that there may a possibility of a Tsunami at the epicenter ( http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/olderwmsg ). The tragedy is that this information was not communicated to the Indian Ocean region. The NOAA officers says that they did not have the addresses of the appropriate officials.

Look at issuing time
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TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 002
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 0204Z 26 DEC 2004
THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT
ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.
.................. TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ..................
ATTENTION: NOTE REVISED MAGNITUDE.
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING
OR WATCH IN EFFECT.
AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS
ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004
COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST
LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA
MAGNITUDE - 8.5
EVALUATION
REVISED MAGNITUDE BASED ON ANALYSIS OF MANTLE WAVES.
THIS EARTHQUAKE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PACIFIC. NO DESTRUCTIVE
TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS FOR THE PACIFIC BASIN BASED ON HISTORICAL
EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI DATA.
THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A TSUNAMI NEAR THE EPICENTER.
THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE BULLETINS
FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.
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... 0204Z means ... 02:04 GMT / UTC time, and this is 2nd bulletin

Some saying Warning System Could have Saved Thousands. All they needed is to make calls to Indonesian, Indian, SriLankan or Maldivian police / border patrol / marine patroll or other authority to make a quick TV & radio announcement to move away from the shore. Or, an anouncement in sattelite news company.

MORE THAN TWO HOURS passed ... no one did anything ... those who knew, simply ignored the value of human LIVES

USA didn't even broadcast / cover this event properly, right after when it happened, ( like all the other really real / true news, ) so that killing of more people in Iraq can continue. They have kept their propaganda media/news going on ... brainwashing more American peoples. Whereas whole world's all of the major news media were already covering this disaster/trajedy. Why that happened ? why wasn't this one of the priority ... at USA ? can you guess ??
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Effect Of Nuclear Tests :
Subsequent studies of large volcanic explosions, such as Mt. Agung on Bali in 1963, have raised the possibility that large-scale injection of dust into the stratosphere would reduce sunlight intensities and temperatures at the surface, while increasing the absorption of heat in the upper atmosphere.

This happened ....

Much of our knowledge of the production and distribution of radionuclides has been derived from the period of intensive nuclear testing in the atmosphere during the 1950's and early 1960's. It is estimated that more than 500 megatons of nuclear yield were detonated in the atmosphere between 1945 and 1971, about half of this yield being produced by a fission reaction. The peak occurred in 1961-62, when a total of 340 megatons were detonated in the atmosphere by the United States and Soviet Union. the largest earthquake ever measured—the magnitude 9.5 earthquake was in Chile on May 22, 1960.

More info :
http://www.cold-war.info/nukwr10.html
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/peace/...viro.html#under
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Reports/India/IndiaEvents.shtml
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Nuclear Testing List / Chronology :
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Almanac/TestingChronology.shtml
Nuclear Information : US nuclear weapons in Europe
http://www.motherearth.org/nuke/info3.php
US Redesigning Atomic Weapons
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2005/0...ing-weapons.htm
Russia performed three subcritical nuclear tests
http://www.bellona.no/imaker?id=17814&sub=1
Underground Explosions are Music to Their Ears : LosAlam Nat Lab and Lawrnc Livrmr Nat Lab ... LYNER facility
http://www.llnl.gov/str/Conrad.html
Soviet nuclear testing, August 29, 1949 - October 24, 1990 - by Robert S. Norris and William M. Arkin in 1998
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=mj98norris
Nuclear fallout : Nuclear Preparation Of USA, France
http://sln.fi.edu/inquirer/fallout.html
False Accusations, Undetected Tests and Implications for the CTB Treaty & Recent Events
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1998_05/vimy98.asp
The Marshall Islands Weapons Testing (by USA)List 1951 to 1959
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/lillithsrealm...59MIWeapons.htm
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Nuclear Devastation / Effects :
Atmospheric Nuclear Tests In NATIVE AMERICAN Domains
PACIFIC OCEAN AND NEVADA
http://www.angelfire.com/sk/syukhtun/pacificbombs.html
Castle Bravo nuclear test, by USA - 1954
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/ra...s/1954USA1.html
Worldwide Effects Of Nuclear War
http://www.cold-war.info/nukwr10.html
Impacts of underground nuclear tests
http://www.geocities.com/m_v_ramana/nuclea...groundtests.htm
The legacies of Moruroa and Fangataufa
http://www.antenna.nl/wise/496/4906.html
Environmental Effects of French Nuclear Testing
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/peace/...viro.html#under
The Effects of nuclear weapons
http://www.motherearth.org/nuke/begin2.php
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What other great (M > 8) Earthquakes have occurred in the region?
Since 1900 and prior to the December 26 earthquake, the largest earthquake along the subduction zone from southern Sumatra to the Andaman Islands occurred in 2000 and had a magnitude of 7.9. A magnitude 8.4 earthquake occurred in 1797, a magnitude 8.5 in 1861 and a magnitude 8.7 in 1833 . All three ruptured sections of the subduction zone to the south of the recent earthquake. Interestingly, the 1797 and 1833 quakes are believed to have ruptured roughly the same area with only 36 years separating the events. Paleoseismic evidence indicates that over the past millennium, the islands have risen during giant earthquakes or earthquake couplets about every 230 years.
More Info :
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~sieh/publications/a10.html
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8/26/1883 Krakatau Volcanic Eruption
A series of three explosions on the morning of the 27 th of August 1883 about 05.28 local time in Krakatoa led to the destruction of Kraktoa's mountain peak and led to a tsunami that propagated across the Indian Ocean. Thereafter at 6.36 high peak(500m) at Danan exploded and collapsed and the thrid blast tore the remaining part of Krakatau Island (Rakata Island, Indonesia) apart. The explosion was heard more than 3000 miles away. Krakatau (Krakatoa) is located in the Sunda Strait, 40 km off the west coast of Java on the island of Rakata in Indonesia. After a long period of inactivity (about 200 years), Krakatoa became active again in early 1883. The first indication that something was happening on Krakatoa was when a large earthquake struck the area. Seismic activity became stronger until May 20,1883, when the volcano abruptly came to life. By August 11, 1883. three vents were actively erupting. Eleven other vents were ejecting smaller quantities of steam, ash and dust. At least 36,000 people were killed particularly in Java and Sumatra; wave heights rearched 15 to 42 meters.
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6/26/1941 Andaman Islands, India
The Tsunami of 1941 following an earthquake in the Bay of Bengal was detected in Sri Lanka. Magnitude 7.7. It was centred (5) in the Bay of Bengal, roughly, 20.5 kilometres W of Flat Island, India, or, 23.6 kilometres WNW of Yadita (Middle Andaman Isl.), India, or, 96.7 kilometres NNW of Port Blair (South Andaman Island), India, or, 617 kilometres SW of Yangon, Myanmar, or, 834 kilometres NNW of Banda Aceh (Sumatera), Indonesia. The earthquake was followed by several powerful aftershocks (5). Two magnitude 6.0 events struck within 24 hours of the main shock on June 27th, 1941. The first occurred at 07:32:47 UTC and was followed by another at 08:32:19 UTC. These were then followed by 14 earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 upto January 1942. Nearly 5,000 people were killed by the tsunami on the east coast of India.
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11/27/1945
An earthquake of magnitude 8.25 occurred about 70 kilometers south of Karachi (Pakistan) at 24.5 N and 63.0 E on November 27, 1945. This created a large tsunami of about 11.0 to 11.5 meters high on the coasts of India in the Kutchch region, as reported by Pendse (1945).
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In the Hawaiian islands, tsunami have struck repeatedly, causing great loss of life and immense damage to property. Most noteworthy of the recent Hawaiian tsunami is that of 1 April 1946 which inundated and destroyed the city of Hilo, killing 159 people. Other recent tsunami that have hit Hawaii occurred in 1952, 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1975. One of the most devastating recent tsunami was generated by a large earthquake in the Moro Gulf in the Philippines on 16 August 1976. The tsunami waves killed over 8,000 people in Mindanao, leaving 10,000 injured and 90,000 more homeless. In August 1977 a large earthquake in the Lesser Sunda Islands, Indonesia generated a destructive tsunami which killed hundreds of people on Lombok and Sumbawa Islands along the eastern side of the Indian Ocean. Another devastating tsunami occurred on 12 December 1979 in the south-west corner of Colombia destroying several fishing villages, taking the lives of hundreds of people and creating economic chaos in an already economically depressed region of that country. Many more events have occurred in the last twenty years. In 1960 Magnitude of 9.5 at Chile earthquake, in 1964 the magnitude 9.2 Prince William Sound, Alaska earthquake, in 1957 the magnitude 9.1 Andreanof, Alaska earthquake, and in 1952 the magnitude 9.0 Kamchatka earthquake.
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08/17/1999 Turkey 7.4 M
This earthquake is located about 70 miles (110 km) west of the Turkey earthquake of 11/12/1999 M7.2. Over 17,000 people were killed and 50,000 were injured. The quake occurred along the North Anatolian Fault, a long break that allows movement between plates of the Earth's crust. In some areas, one side of the fault moved 12 feet compared to the other side. The shock was the seventh large quake to rock the fault since 1939, and was rated at magnitude 7.4. This fault is very similar to the San Andreas fault in California, USA. Starting in 1939, the North Anatolian fault produced a sequence of major earthquakes, of which the 1999 event is the 11th with a magnitude greater than or equal to 6.7. Starting with the 1939 event in western Turkey, the earthquake locations have moved both eastward and westward. The westward migration was particularly active and ruptured 600 km of contiguous fault between 1939 and 1944. This westward propagation of earthquakes then slowed and ruptured an additional adjacent 100 km of fault in events in 1957 and 1967, with separated activity further west during 1963 and 1964. The August 17, 1999 event fills in a 100 to 150 km long gap between the 1967 event and the 1963 and 1964 events. This gap was first noted by Toksoz, Shakal, and Michael in 1979 and it's hazard was later analyzed by Stein, Barka, and Dieterich in 1997. The latter paper estimated that there was a 12% chance of this earthquake occurring in the 30 years from 1996 to 2026. Scientists say the 45-second quake, felt throughout the Balkans, is one of the strongest of the 20th Century. A 6.3-magnitude quake hit Turkey on June 27, 1998, killing 144 people and injuring more than 1,500 in and around the southern city of Adana.
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06/20/1990 Manjil, Iran, 7.3 M
In 1990 (June, 20 at 21.00 GMT, 30 minutes after midnight, local time) a ruinous earthquake of magnitude 7.3 occurred in the Manjil area, about 100 kilometers southwest of the Caspian Sea in the north of Iran. During this event the towns of Manjil, Rudbar and Lushan, as well as about 700 villages totally destroyed, and at least 300 more villages partly to slightly damaged resulting in forty thousand fatalities, sixty thousand injured and five hundred thousand homeless.
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11/12/1999 Turkey 7.2 M
A major earthquake occurred 45 miles (70 km) east of Adapazari or 105 miles (170 km) northwest of Ankara, Turkey. at 10:57 AM MDT today, Nov 12, 1999 (6:57 PM local time in Turkey). A preliminary magnitude of 7.2 was computed for this earthquake. At least 30,000 people killed, 30,000 injured, 85 percent of buildings damaged or destroyed and infrastructure damaged in the Bam area.
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12/26/2003 SouthEastern Iran , Magnitude 6.6 - at 01:56:52 UTC (6 am local time)
185 km (115 miles) SE of Kerman, Iran, 255 km (160 miles) WSW of Zahedan, 265 km (165 miles) E of Sirjan, 990 km (610 miles) SE of Tehran. about 26,000 people dead and with tens of thousands injured. 12 Seconds. The old quarter and a 2,000-year-old citadel (severely damaged by the earthquake) were built primarily of mud brick.
More info:
http://www.disasterscharter.org/graphics/d...w_QuickLook.jpg
Iran earthquake triggered by HAARP ?
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/271203iranearthquake.html
Bam: Iran's Ancient City
http://www.farsinet.com/bam/
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12/26/2004 Sumatra Earthquake and Tsunami
At 9.0 Magnitude, this was the largest earthquake in the world since the 1964 Alaskan quake. It struck on December 26 at 6:58 AM local time (00:58 GMT). The epicenter was 255 km (160 miles) SSE of Banda Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia 315 km (195 miles) W of Medan, Sumatra, Indonesia 1260 km (790 miles) SSW of BANGKOK, Thailand 1590 km (990 miles) NW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia. Another earthquake occured same day at 04:21:25 UTC with Magnitude of 7.5 at Nicobar Islands, India, little north-west of the previous epicenter.
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2/22/2005 Kerman,Iran Quake
This 6.4M quake hit Central Iran Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 02:25AM (GMT) or 5:55 AM local time.
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3/20/2005 Japan Quake
This 6.4M quake hit 570 miles west of Tokyo, off the coast of the island of Kyushu, Japan at 01:53AM (GMT) or 10:53 AM local time. Some news reports rated the quake as a Magnitude 7, which would have been much more powerful than the 6.4 Magnitude reported by the USGS. Many buildings were damaged, utilities were cut off, 1 person was killed and another 250 were injured. Tall buildings swayed in Fukuoka. Numerous aftershocks have followed the main quake. Intial fears that the quake would generate a tsunami proved unfounded.
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3/28/2005 Sumatra Quake
This 8.7M quake was centered off the West coast of Northern Sumatra. Earthquakes over Magnitude 8 are classified as "Great" Earthquakes. "Great" quakes are relatively rare and usually very destructive. By comparison, this earthquake was considerably larger than the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and indeed larger than any seen in the US outside of Alaska. Of course damage from any quake is due to a number of factors including density of population, building methods and materials, local geology and the duration of shaking. This quake struck at 4:09 PM (GMT) or 11:09 PM local time. Shaking lasted 3 minutes, which is a long time for an earthquake. There have been at least 518 people confirmed killed and thousands displaced. A few people were pulled alive from the rubble after 4 days. Worst hit was the island of Nias, where electricity and water supplies have been disrupted. Roads and runways across the island have large cracks across them and are in many cases unusable. Also hard hit was the nearby island of Simeulue. Fires have raged unchecked with fire fighting equipment buried in rubble.
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if you still have doubt ... then you should know .... under(/over) ground nuclear blast causes earthquakes ... under(/over) ground nuclear blast also causes tsunami
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if all the seismic data, electricity usage, radiation data from satellite images/scans, other data from all possible sources from all over the world are taken into account ... for sure, we will be able to goto the actual source of these quakes.
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Earthquakes not suppose to follow a pattern, but in those earthquakes, there is a pattern. many one is finding / seeing it. if you look at previous quakes, you can easily see, its randomness and also the ones caused by after-effect of human (nuclear/bomb). why isn't it happenning in pure random ??
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it is now a proven fact that earth's temperature has increased by couple of degrees.

at that ( Indonesia Tsunami, Bam(Iran) qauke ) time earth was very near to sun.

earth magnetic polarty strength dropped, it is already 10% less. ( last magnetic polar shift happened 780,000 yrs before. magnetic polar shift suppose to happen every 200,000 yrs, so it is way over due. ) Aurora showing up / increased during the last 300 years.

too many underground (nuclear) bombs been used throught all over the world.

most likely those earthquakes are natural process, but also possible to start / trigger them, by using current destructive use of different hidden / open technologies.
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lengould
I think more suppression of information may be in order. blink.gif
Guest_MS
can't believe someone said it ....

"lengould" Posted: May 6 2005, 12:02 AM
I think more suppression of information may be in order.

we should not discourage anyone from having / showing / submitting more information !!!

all of it, or some part of it, may be not important to you ... but might be important to another one ... think about that ... its not only about YOU ...

Life, lives, death, destruction, construction ... etc .... is matter to many one.

if you want, you can point out which parts are wrong ... which parts are right .... or other positive constructive actions / suggestion .... but to suppress information .... amazing

Guest_Guest_MS
The below specific posting is mostly about ...

Human Factor of the

Tsunami of December 26, 2004
near Banda Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ / KNOW MORE , SIMPLY SKIP/GOTO TO THE NEXT MEMBER'S POSTING, THANKS.

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here are some responses from different users
at this forum http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread111242/pg1
(Tsunami by Quake? Bomb? Comet? EM?)

I'm quoting some of them below ...
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User/member of AboveTopSecret.com : "HarmoniusOne" posted (on 15-1-2005 at 03:15 AM Post Number: 1091192 (post id: 1113085))

1975: A Senate sub-committee hearing, chaired by Senator Claiborne Pell, stated that: "We need a treaty now...before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates and inducing earthquakes against their enemies." Senator Pell would not have spoken these words in 1975 about inducing earthquakes unless he had some knowledge that such technology existed. NEWS BRIEF: "United States and Other World Powers Should Outlaw Tampering With Weather for Use as War Weapon", Editorial by Senator Claiborne Pell, D-Rhode Island, The Providence Journal Bulletin, 1975.
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/...10/812524.shtml
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1197.cfm
http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/che...ing_reading.htm
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodi...l?index=P000193

Here are some references and thoughts on the subject of created earthquakes and EM and a little bit referring to fission-fussion-fission bomb.
Interesting stuff. I found some direct quotes from the State Department and the UN.

1935, Nicola Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth with almost no loss of energy," and he could "convey these mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects. He called it "the art of telegeodynamics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Moving_in

December 10, 1976, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved the 'Convention of the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,' and issued a report. Again, such a report would not have been issued if there were not technology in place capable of environmental modification, including the ability to induce earthquakes.
http://www.state.gov/t/ac/trt/4783.htm
http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual...cleID=1294&l=en

The June 5, 1977, New York Times described the great earthquake which destroyed Tangshan, China on July 28, 1976, and killed over 650,000 people. Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball. Some investigators believe these electrical effects were associated with electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which result from Tesla-style technology and /or HAARP-like transmissions. Was this brilliant flash of colored light what Tesla was talking about in 1935 when he mentioned "all kinds of unique effects²"? Was this earthquake just a test of the system, conducted on the unsuspecting people of China? It certainly does not appear that it was a natural earthquake.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/horribled.../a/tangshan.htm

In January of 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, LL.D, issued a detailed research paper entitled 'Global Magnetic Warfare - A Layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on The Planet Earth During 1976 and 1977.' In his paper, Dr. Puharich stated, "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake."

The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article which described an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the 'Tesla Effect.' According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave. In other words, "much more energy is now present in the standing wave that the ...amount being fed in from the Earth's surface." By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can the be used to produce earthquakes induced at distant aiming points.

Dr. Peter Beter, said that by 1977, the Russians had placed fission-fusion-fission Super-bombs in certain deep undersea trenches around the Philippines. The source believes that the Philippines are in the position of a 'keystone' within the giant Pacific Tectonic Plate. Russia had already been setting off lower yield undersea weapons in other areas around the Pacific Ocean causing strong earthquakes.

Dr. Beter believes the intention was/is to relieve tensions all around the Pacific plate, except the Philippines where stresses would build to tremendous levels. Then, at a certain point, the bombs around the Philippines will be set off. It is expected that this will cause incredible earthquakes and tidal waves and ultimately devastate the American West Coast. Volcanoes erupting in the Philippines are an indication that stresses are building in the area.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/bestsummaries
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User/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted (on 15-1-2005 at 05:06 AM Post Number: 1091271 (post id: 1113164)) :

HarmoniusOne, nice work. I’m adding the link to the Dr. Beter page. He seems to know what he’s talking about. I believe the use of electromagnetics would be less obvious then a nuclear bomb, if this quake was caused by man. Plus the Russians were testing missles on and before the day of the quake.

Noticed this while reading.

Quote: The four Rockefeller brothers had in mind an eventual double-cross of their secret ally, the Soviet Union, in the programmed nuclear war to come. By seizing control of the moon and installing devastating beam weapons there, they expected to emerge as the final, absolute rulers of the entire world. (End-of-Quote)

-The U.S. moon program continued secretly from a new base: the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

-American beam weapons were nearing operational status at a secret military base nestled in Copernicus Crater on the moon. But on the night of the Harvest Moon, September 27, 1977, the base was attacked and put out of action by the Soviet Union.


http://www.peterbeter.host.sk/docs/all/dbeye.htm
-Professional credentials: The things made public by Dr. Beter are
extraordinary--but so is the professional background which preceded his public visibility. He practiced general law in Washington, D.C., from 1951 to 1961, becoming a member of the U.S. Court of Military Appeals in 1952 and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1964. Many of his cases were against the federal government, all of which he won--including one case in which he caught none other than the U.S. Department of Justice burning records in an attempt to defeat him. The resulting decision--Farley vs. U.S., 131 C. Cls. 776 (1955), 127 F Supp. 562--made new law.

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user/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted (on 15-1-2005 at 05:29 AM Post Number: 1091290 (post id: 1113183) ) :

In my previous post about the US base in the indian ocean, Diego Garcia that had a laser project on the moon. 'The U.S. moon program continued secretly from a new base: the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.' this is the same base that reported no damage from the Tsunami.

Just another coincidence?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/fac...a-imagery-3.htm
-Diego Garcia was not affected by the Andaman Tsunami of 26 December 2004. It is located south of the tip of India, well with in range of what the tsunami, with a max elevation of 22 and an average elevation of only 4 feet. Civilians monitoring shortwave radio reported on rec.radio.shortwave that a female operator, in answer to a query from an aircraft after giving weather information, reported no ill effects from the earthquake.
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user/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted on 15-1-2005 at 08:15 PM Post Number: 1092639 (post id: 1114532) :

HAARP Scalar weapons are being used by atleast 5 groups/countries. These electromagnetic pulse weapons are more powerful then a nuclear bomb and there is no radiation. They are used to modify weather, cause earthquakes and volcanos to erupt. They have also been used for mind control.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307309.shtml (HAARP, Scalar)
-THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BEING SPRUNG ON THE WORLD FROM THE 1990s onward! Thus, you are required to know about this immediately. Given the earthquake standdown, focused at Aceh, Sumatra, it is very likely that this technology is being used to seed earthquakes that people WANT to cause damage for politcal purposes. Similarly, as Bush was sabre-ratting against Iran last year, we have an instance of the "out of the blue" quality of the Bam, Iran earthquake. Bam, Iran is an ancient city that has stood for over 2000 years. Then, suddenly it has a devestating earthquake WHERE THE EPICENTER from what I have read came from directly below the city!
-The USSR attempted to have the U.S. agree to the total banning of scalar electromagnetic warfare in the 1970s. The U.S. refuses! That should tell you something.

-HAARP = "NUCLEAR SIZED EXPLOSIONS WITHOUT RADIATION"

"Begich found eleven other APTI Patents. They told how to make ‘Nuclear-sized Explosions without Radiation,’ Power-beaming systems, over-the-horizon radar, detection systems for missiles carrying nuclear warheads, ***electromagnetic pulses previously produced by thermonuclear weapons and other Star-Wars tricks. This cluster of patents underlay the HAARP weapon system.***

http://66.49.160.53/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
-The Brave New World of Scalar Electromagnetics
-The electromagnetic weapons mentioned by the Secretary of Defense in April 1997 are in terrorist hands also, including the Yakuza and Aum Shinrikyo. That rogue group leased those earlier weapons on site in Russia, from the KGB, at the end of 1989. The SecDef stated that such weapons were being used to initiate earthquakes, initiate volcanoes into eruption, and control and engineer the weather. Quite true. And presently there is a truly massive set of weather engineering operations going on over North America, from that rogue Japanese group manning the weapons in Russia. Some 10 nations of the world now have the type of longitudinal EM wave interferometer weapons (which are what the SecDef was most probably referring to). There are other even more fearsome weapons, possessed by five nations. So a great deal of the state of the world is not covered in the news at all, and will not be . . .
-We have been in an undeclared war of an eerie kind for some decades. That war seems now to have started to heat up also. The destructive capability of some of these weapons is awesome, and far greater than nuclear.
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User/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted (on 18-1-2005 at 09:18 PM Post Number: 1100295 (post id: 1122188)) :

Look what was in the area around the time the whales beached themselves. Hmmmm electromagnetic waves?

http://www.kittyhawkfreepress.com/index.htm
http://www.kittyhawkfreepress.com/pilotwhale.html
U.S.S. Teddy Roosevelt, has been doing military maneuvers in this area for several days. The battle group is usually composed of an Aircraft Carrier, Destroyer Guided-missile cruisers USS Anzio (CG 68) and USS Cape St. George (CG 71), guided guided-missile destroyers USS Arleigh Burke (DDG 51), USS Porter (DDG 78) and USS Winston Churchill (DDG 81); destroyer USS Stump (DD 978); guided-missile frigate USS Carr (FFG 52); fast combat support ship USNS Arctic (T-AOE 8); and two attack submarines. It is not known for sure at this time if the military ships in the area had an affect on the whales that would have driven them to shore.
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User/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted (on 18-1-2005 at 07:18 PM Post Number: 1100098 (post id: 1121991)) :

Electromagnetic technology

During my research on possible causes of the Tsunami/quake, if it was done by man, I have eliminated the idea of nuclear bombs and asteroids/comets. My focus is now on electromagnetic waves. At least 10 different groups/governments have the technology and many are using it, if not all. The whale beachings seem to be connected, they are happening approximately 3 days or so before a quake. The recent beaching in North Caroline happened on the 15th and today the 18th, 2 quakes occurred in the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean fault line. See my news post about NC beachings. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread112572/pg1 The following is information about the electromagnetic weapons and weather manipulation.

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/lostlink/is45_6.htm
-According to the New York Times on June 21, 1977, a 40-ton magnet had been shipped to a group of scientists in the Soviet Union. The device could be used to generate a magnetic field 250,000 times stronger than that of planet Earth. This is not science fiction, ladies and gentlemen, but reality. This Magneto-Hydro-Dynamic generator (MHD) gave the Soviets even more ability to override, black out and interfere with earth's own natural magnetic field which we (mankind) are already disturbing.
-We do know for a fact that Soviet and American scientists have for several decades been working on and developing "scalar electromagnetic technology."
-1982, Soviets induced the anomalous El Nino condition that upset weather patterns throughout the world for a full year.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalarvocanos.htm
-According to Bearden the covert development of these devices, in at least 10 countries, began decades ago, especially in Russia, whose scientists were more able than those in the West to think outside the box of conventional electromagnetic theory.
-Two of the things that can by done by manipulation of the wave at the interference zone are making earthquakes at a distant spot, and making volcano’s erupt.
-We also know (100% certainty) that the Yakuza and Aum Shinrikyo have indeed been engineering our weather.
-The existence and proliferation of these scalar weapons is an immediate world emergency.

http://www.fulldisklosure.org/modules.php?...=showpage&pid=6
-The key discovery made by Tesla in the late 1800,s was that the earth itself reverberated with a pulsing electrical current in the low ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) range. Tesla had also discovered the exact frequency at which the earth normally pulsates. These natural waves are created as a result of electrical activity in the atmosphere. Collectively, these waves are called The Schumann Resonance. These are quasi-standing [SCALAR] ELF waves that naturally exist in the earth's electromagnetic cavity, the space between the ground and the Ionosphere.

http://www.fulldisklosure.org/modules.php?...ighlight=scalar
-By causing many towers [HAARP, GWEN, etc.] to pulse with the exact ELF frequency of the normal earth pulsation, scientists have learned how to not only create, but also how to maneuver and direct storms. Tulsa’s discovery can duplicate almost every single phenomena of nature, from cyclones to tornados; and now, with Solar Power Satellites used in conjunction with land based towers, weather Control is just that simple.

GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) transmitter towers bathe the entire U.S. in an artificial magnetic field which can rise from the ground to 500 ft, but also goes down into the ground as deep as a normal basement. Everyone can be affected and mind-controlled. This entire artificial ground wave spreads out over North America like a spider’s web.

The natural earth ELF waves are identical to the frequency spectrum of our human brainwaves, and it has been proven that the use of an ELF bombardment - at the same frequency as the human brain - can change a person's thoughts or emotions. In the early 1960,s, Dr Andrija Puharich discovered various mental effects of ELF, specifically that 7.83 Hz (the earth's pulse rate) made a person feel good, producing an altered-state; that 10.80 Hz caused riotous behavior; and that 6.6 Hz caused depression. It has since been discovered that 10 Hz puts people into a hypnotic state.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=46389
-Tom Bearden Fears the Use of Scalar Weapons At the Yellowstone Caldera
-The Japanese Yakuza and Aum Shinrikyo teams who leased such interferometers from the KGB in latter 1989, on site in Russia -- wishing the capability to destroy he U.S. in a single shot. They now have achieved the capability to destroy the United States or most of it with a single calculated "shot" which gradually builds up the pressure in the Yellowstone caldera, into a very violent eruption.


http://www.fulldisklosure.org/modules.php?...ighlight=scalar
-Beginning in early 1990, the Yakuza/Aum Shinrikyo assumed (under KGB control) the weather engineering over North America (and elsewhere). They have also shot down several aircraft (including the TWA-800) etc. They plan to take part in the eventual destruction of America."
(More links at site)
Connection between global warming and weather engineering
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/122802.htm

Animated example of the weather war that is raging
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/091402.htm

Third nation now involved in North American weather engineering?
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/082902.htm

Russian & Yakuza weather engineering
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/122203.htm

Why weather engineering is felt "in one's bones"
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/120503a.htm

Weather engineering - increasing complexity
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/020203a.htm


http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/history.htm
Historical Background of Scalar EM Weapons
by Lt. Col. T.E. Bearden (retd.), 1990

http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
-Bearden site - Table of Contents
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User/member "Ycon" of AboveTopSecret.com posted (on 24-2-2005 at 06:35 PM Post Number: 1196149 (post id: 1218042)) :

Asia Tsunami Proved Biggest War Crime in History

Here's more information from Joe Vialls site. Is this the proof that the 9.3 quake was not natural?

http://www.vialls.com/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami2.html
Asia Tsunami Proved Biggest War Crime in History

While the western media desperately tries to deflects public interest with ever-increasing Richter figures now up to an hysterical 9.3, the BBC, HMS Scott and others inadvertently prove conclusively that the horrific event of
26 December 2004 was the biggest single war crime in recorded history.

Quote: Put in terrifyingly simple layman terms, what this all means is that the Sumatran Trench and Sumatran Fault shown in the picture above always work together. If one moves, so does the other, and the Sumatran Fault runs right down the high street in the town of Banda Aceh, which didn't move at all when the "earthquake" tremor disturbed the town on 26 December 2004.

The harsh reality is that a naturally-occurring earthquake big enough to have generated that enormous tsunami would require a massive jolt below the Eurasian plate (quite probably around 9.3 on the Richter Scale), which would have liquified the rock and automatically hurled white-hot magma out of the chain of dormant volcanoes along the onshore Sumatran Fault. Remember, the trench and fault systems are are directly connected, and always work together. (end-of-quote).
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Natural or not, the earthquake happened because it was supposed to happen. Think about that. You'd probably castrate me if you had any idea to what I am referring, but if I just went and told you direct, no one would believe me anyway.
Guest_Guest_MS
Hi "rent Guest",

There are many one THINKING JUST LIKE YOU ... "Natural or not, the earthquake happened because it was supposed to happen. Think about that."

Including me, but i had to change my mind after getting many facts ... that, it is quite possible to trigger these events, by using even older technologies, even if someone doesn't mention about the newer technologies ability.

The FACTs / Documents which are publicly available (even in USA gov sites) says something LITTLE DIFFERENT, than these type of opinion. READ / THINK THOSE .

It might change your opinion, if you are well known / informed / educated / open minded.

Global warming (green house effect) .... no one belived, at first, that they are related to human's involvement in harmful disposition of many things ( chemicals, gasses, particles, underground nuke tests, etc ... list goes on), now many have different / second opinion.
Matt
that's a whole lot of stuff I don't want to read.

give me the quick and easy version.
Guest_Guest_MS
sorry, my mistake ... wanted to type
Hi "Different Guest"
Guest_Guest_MS
quoting from my prev. posting ... "it is quite possible to trigger these events, by using even older technologies, even if someone doesn't mention about the newer technologies ability."
rafael peralta
I Have read most of the opinions, facts, reports, etc on the subject. ONLY ONE THING seems to me strange and will do my best to enquire from the scientific community in order to assert or deny the possible man triggered earthquake. That is :
-A 9.3 Mw earthquake would indeed cause the destruction of many buildings and structures in an vast area (even 300 Km from epicenter), unless the focal depth would be > 600 Km. The 8.4 Mw "deep earthquake" of 1994 in Bolivia, Nazca Plate Subduction Zone was hardly felt by the millions of people living near the epicenter area, although it kept the earth ringing like a bell for over a month and it was felt as far as Canada, many thousand Kms away. As the Sumatra 9.3 earthquake was given, and still stands at, a focal depth of 30 Km, then it should have caused damage. The 8.4 Mw 2001 06 23 at 30 Km depth in souther Peru, was felt here in Arica for over a minute and cracked some reinforced concrete pilars at the local University. Arica is about 370 Kms from the epicenter. Then it follows that the 9.3 Sumatra earthquake was unique in two aspects : one, it lasted for a very short period of 13 seconds, two, caused no structural damage in places 100 Km distant.
The nuclear blast theory is as proved as a burp from underwater gas trapped in the fault. (A straight up shot or blast from the seafloor, into the sea would indeed cause an increase in height of sea level) On the other hand, we have the H.M.S. (What was that doing there?)undersea picture released by the royal navy wich shows landslides and fallen rocks, but no seafloor depression.
Kind of heavy, strange stuff...
Guest_Guest_MS
Many thanks for explaining this better and in short.

Those who drops atom bombs on human beings , are totally diffrent kind of human , actually they are REAL EVIL in physical form . this group of people can do anything ... they are doing it without caring about any international laws or value of any humans life , they are CRIMINAL , they are in control of news media to cover their evil actions , and they will do more , but , what you know ? REAL TRUTH will come out .

freedom means free (flow of information/) press and real justice where anyone can say their side of the story and wrong doers get punished ... hope oneday we will get that again ... in (my active) life time .

i don't want to live and die as a blind and deaf people like those inside USA . i want my consciousness to have peace , how will i get it ? i will get it when no one in this universe hates me , if they are not loving me .

but these doesn't care about that , we need some REAL justice.
Dr. Dolittle
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They have also been used for mind control
Guest_MS,
I BELIEVE IT…they used one on you. Have you seen the movie "conspiracy theory"? Your peace will come when you get to the shrink and he prescribes the right medication. When you have time, give my office a call.
Guest_Guest_MS
Here is someone already trying to "save" me , or, get rid of my sickness ... ( ...really ? ... or, ... trying to brainwash me ... ) where is your office ...

Do you even know how many died by those ? and still dying ? why don't you help them ... it will be very generous of you ... will be a good use of your valuable time ...

so many suffering by Tsunami , WAR ... for what ? ... who is getting benefitted by those ? ...

i believe you will have no time for that .... cause you're already too busy doing ..... , ....... from your office ...

oh ... try not to take all this , another conspiracy ...

wish i could capture/see your face when real TRUTH comes out ... like , "USA lied about Iraq having WMD" ... and lied about many other things ...

for sure , it will not be a face of suffered victims , countless

which no one in USA and some other country ever see ... very lowest level of "democracy" / "freedom" , many have doubt if they have those , .... they are acting like dictatorship ... imperialism ... another Hitler ... or another Napoleon ...
how you remember them ?

things you need to do ... get rid of your greediness ... stop lying ... be happy and useful with what you have ... give right fees when you buy something ... don't take away another's property with force ... don't kill anyone ... don't use your dog to injure someone ... don't dishonor holy books ... do not brainwash people with propaganda ... do not support bad people in another country ... do not say Iraq had WMD ... these are some things which you cannot do

people like you making us the most hated country and people in this world ... what are you doing about that ? what are your plan to make the USA a country who really do something good for poor people , where every other country agrees ... not just 3 or 4 country ...

i know you cannot do those ... you can only invite me to your office and you can say more lies ... but those are the real facts ... can you change or do something about those ?
Dr. Dolittle
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Here is someone already trying to "save" me , or, get rid of my sickness ... ( ...really ? ... or, ... trying to brainwash me ... ) where is your office ...
I think it is a bit late for the brainwash part, someone else has already done that. It's a shame you see nothing but evil surrounding you, this is a figment of your demented mind. If you knew where my office was, what would you do?
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Here is someone already trying to "save" me , or, get rid of my sickness ... ( ...really ? ... or, ... trying to brainwash me ... ) where is your office ...
I think it is a bit late for the brainwash part, someone else has already done that. It's a shame you see nothing but evil surrounding you, this is a figment of your demented mind. If you knew where my office was, what would you do?
wish i could capture/see your face when real TRUTH comes out ... like , "USA lied about Iraq having WMD" ... and lied about many other things ...
My face biggrin.gif In fact Iraq had the capabilities to manufacture more weapons and there is no doubt once things cooled down that Saddam would have continued to do so.
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which no one in USA and some other country ever see ... very lowest level of "democracy" / "freedom" , many have doubt if they have those , .... they are acting like dictatorship ... imperialism ... another Hitler ... or another Napoleon ...
how you remember them ?
Thank god…I am glad USA has a fully functional democracy and hope that someday all other nations will as well. Do you remember Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden? The evil is at your doorstep not mine.
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which no one in USA and some other country ever see ... very lowest level of "democracy" / "freedom" , many have doubt if they have those , .... they are acting like dictatorship ... imperialism ... another Hitler ... or another Napoleon ...
how you remember them ?
Thank god…I am glad USA has a fully functional democracy and hope that someday all other nations will as well. Do you remember Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden? The evil is at your doorstep not mine.
things you need to do ... get rid of your greediness ... stop lying ... be happy and useful with what you have ... give right fees when you buy something ... don't take away another's property with force ... don't kill anyone ... don't use your dog to injure someone ... don't dishonor holy books ... do not brainwash people with propaganda ... do not support bad people in another country ... do not say Iraq had WMD ... these are some things which you cannot do
Things you need to do Guest_Guest_MS …stop putting people into categories where they don't belong because it fits YOUR views, this is what racists and people who hate do (like Hitler). Your views are much closer to his then mine. The propaganda is coming from your pen attempting to influence those at this site, your reposts using different names is sad and a ploy that is not sophisticated enough to work on the people who come here. Go back to AboveTopSecret.com with that trash, I am sure there are many other paranoids like you there where you will fit in.
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people like you making us the most hated country and people in this world ... what are you doing about that ? what are your plan to make the USA a country who really do something good for poor people , where every other country agrees ... not just 3 or 4 country ...
Don't use US when you post, you are not a member of this community.

Guest_Guest_MS
"Dr.Dolittle" posted on Posted on May 19 2005, 06:26 PM ...
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Thank god…I am glad USA has a fully functional democracy and hope that someday all other nations will as well.

do you really believe is it true ? and it will happen to all other countries ? how ? when ? ... (i'll be waiting for that face) ... i hope you live about 5 years more to see the real truth .... except 2 or 3 country , every other nation already hates USA goverment's these actions.

i do not belive that you ever read any news from other countries ... it might fix your logical conclusion processor inside your brain ... i can see from your post ... its database is very small ... it is working but with very limited source of real information ... you're human ... you have the right not to become slave ... try to hear the other side of the stories ... tune into to real news channel ... not to CNN ... then draw your conclusion , without the influence of only one side of the story ... i don't find you educated enough to teach or fix or give idea about anything .
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Thank god…I am glad USA has a fully functional democracy and hope that someday all other nations will as well.
do you really believe is it true ? and it will happen to all other countries ? how ? when ? ... (i'll be waiting for that face) ... i hope you live about 5 years more to see the real truth .... except 2 or 3 country , every other nation already hates USA goverment's these actions.

i do not belive that you ever read any news from other countries ... it might fix your logical conclusion processor inside your brain ... i can see from your post ... its database is very small ... it is working but with very limited source of real information ... you're human ... you have the right not to become slave ... try to hear the other side of the stories ... tune into to real news channel ... not to CNN ... then draw your conclusion , without the influence of only one side of the story ... i don't find you educated enough to teach or fix or give idea about anything .
Don't use US when you post, you are not a member of this community.
... do you even accidentally think that you are not a member of community in Iraq or Afganistan or any other country , where your running deep operations ? !

see ... you're already telling me to leave this community ... why ? ... because i'm saying something different than what you have inside your brain ... is that kind of "democracy" and "freedom" you're living in and believe ? and want other country to have ?

from where you've come into this community ? did your grandpa born here ? what kind of "right" you have and that i do not have ?

is these making any sense ?
Guest_Guest_MS
from the beginning ... this article/thread ("TSUNAMI : Possible reasons") ... is touching different data and point of views and facts and information ... i have complete right to post my inforrmation and opinion whenever i choose to do so ... you do not have the right to say to anyone , that you're not welcome ... if you find free opinion or free flow of information offensive ... then you may choose to leave ... no one need to say "leave" , that to you ... you have ability to do that ... what kind of attitude is that ? bully ?

Guest_Guest_MS
... if you don't like , then don't read ... read what you find comfortable ... it is simple as that ...
Dr. Dolittle
"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance"

"I have never won a debate with an ignorant person"

"If someone's deeds lower his position, his pedigree cannot elevate it"


Quotes from: Ali ibn Abi Talib

Each of which describe your position in life Guest_Guest_MS, very well indeed.
Guest_Guest_MS
you have nothing to say about ... what kind of "democracy" and "freedom" you like ?
Dr. Dolittle
Please...Guest_Guest_MS Let me help you...I am a doctor

http://www.nku.edu/~hcp/PARANOIA.htm
rafael peralta
Dr. Doolitle, If you are a doctor, then treat the Guest as a patient, don't corner him.
Guest_Guest_ Ms, Don't let yourself be cornered by someone who is not as bad or blind as you may think, he is only being cruel and enjoying himself on your excitement. By the way, would you care to identify yourself? It would be easier to get back to a human level.

TO BOTH OF YOU, the rating is high but what could have been a scientific discussion on a physics forum turned into a boring discussion between two (almost) nutters!

Let`s get back to the physical facts...

With all love and respect, peraltaquake.
Guest_Guest_MS
This posting is about moral issues, politics, realization of many factor in life, alternative possible reasons behind Tsunami/Earthquake.
Reader/You may find many things or my language appearing to you as offensive , ( which is actually not to many others, but anyway , ) then, simply skip/goto the next posting or any other page you like . Thanks .

Member "rafael peralta" posted on May 21 2005, 12:59 AM ...
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By the way, would you care to identify yourself? It would be easier to get back to a human level.
What you mean by that ? i'm using the identity/name "Guest_Guest_MS".

"Dr.Dolittle" is expressing his/her opinion ... it is simple as that ... he/she can try to make me a patient , or anything else, whatever he/she is feeling . smile.gif . i have expressed my (many) opinion about these things . He/she has expressed few of his/her . when he/she will do/tell something realy wise/good then it will touch me .


have you read this thread’s small description ? ...
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By the way, would you care to identify yourself? It would be easier to get back to a human level.
What you mean by that ? i'm using the identity/name "Guest_Guest_MS".

"Dr.Dolittle" is expressing his/her opinion ... it is simple as that ... he/she can try to make me a patient , or anything else, whatever he/she is feeling . smile.gif . i have expressed my (many) opinion about these things . He/she has expressed few of his/her . when he/she will do/tell something realy wise/good then it will touch me .


have you read this thread’s small description ? ...

Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories
Discuss here the most attractive and mysterious physics areas. Post here your ideas and thoughts, which might look weird at the moment. Who knows how it's going to be 100 years from now!
Some of us finding something "mysterious" , "weird" happened in these "TSUNAMI", "EARTHQUAKE", so we are expressing our views . Who knows how someone's current face/believe going to be changed/different by 10 years from now, when more real truth comes out.

Why did I needed to mention about this info ? didn’t you see it ? read it ? realize it ? what does that small description means ?

Info submitted in prev posts can really make someone more educated , open minded for different possibility.

I'm sure "Dr.Dolittle" didn't read that and those , like my previous postings . he/she has eye problem , as well the other problem i have mentioned in my previous posting (Posted on May 19 2005, 10:46 PM) . He/she doesn't respect others opinion/views, which is different than what he/she is holding on . Make yourself patient to some real right doctor and try to feel the real truth ( / freedom and democracy ) . It takes courage to grab some truth . because truth will sometime hurt you badly, even cause you loss, but don't hide, don't lie, don't kill, learn from your mistakes, what other good alternatives you have, try to do that, and say the truth back, with politeness, care ... then it will take away all your pain and will make you more happy and free than you were before . have you ever done it ? have you ever felt, how it feels like to give something to someone ? like, give food to a poor/hungry person (instead of making sick/fat) ? give real medicine to a sick person (instead of making them test subjects) ? give free education to an ignorant/less knowledgeable person (instead of brainwashing) ? have you ever tried to be satisfied with what you already have ? instead of buying more , instead of taking it away from another ? there are so many different feelings, activity.

if someone says something against "George W Bush", "Tony Blair" , then people like "Dr.Dolittle" makes them their "patient" , or "other" things , he/she tells it another "fake Conspiracy" , etc . Are they GOD ? if they are not GOD , they can make mistake ?? isn't it easy to understand ? i can make mistake too , anyone is welcome to enlighten me .

People like "Dr.Dolittle" are using USA tactics ... make everyone afraid, scared of something then use that fear for some bad/wrong activity/cause, so that it looks like right . but is that right ? no .

Someone who really wants to know the truth ... and have both side of the story can conclude , or, solve these puzzles .

George W Bush , Tony Blair has lied to their citizens about many things before Iraq war started . Like , they lied that Iraq had WMD, which UN inspectors proved that Iraq didn't had any WMD , but they hid those people from the (so called) news/media channels/press and also hid the documents, which are now published and exposed to all other countries . No one has doubt that these two are war monger & war criminal .

They have kept their citizen blinded, mis-informed . They are very successful in that . And lots of these citizens are also "bad" / "cruel" type , they don't even have a question in their mind that these might be wrong … “i should at least hear/read, what the other side is saying , i don't have to believe everything what they are saying” .

What kind of human being can justify something without even hearing both or/and other side ???

What kind of human being can say something is right without even knowing , what really has happened , from both or/and other side ???

only arrogant , bad , EVIL, stupid , fundamentalist , orthodox , ignorant , biased, greedy, lier, etc minded people can do that . And those, who continuously watch, read same channel/news paper day after day, again and again .

how can it be a justice ? how can that be right ?
how can you tell yourself or to others that you're well informed ?

And will it be right , if they hear the other side from one side/type of the people/news/press ?

People like "Dr.Dolittle" are afraid of truth . He/She wants no one to know about the real reason . They want others to scare away . They want to hide the truth, so they can cover up their bad/wrong actions . So, please hear/read both/all side and then decide for yourself .

If Dr.Dolittle or people like him/her can do the things i've mentioned in my previous posting (Posted on May 19 2005, 04:42 AM) , and other good things, then he/she can get rid of his/her sickness and can live with a happy and peaceful consciousness .

Wouldn’t you like to live a life where there is no place for doubt ?
darkness of doubt can be removed if you have light/flow of bright/true information.

People like "Dr.Dolittle" / "George W Bush" / "Tony Blair" are not a capable of creating peace and harmony ... those who believes "war" is a solution for peace and harmony ... i think they are sick . they need to change their policy . you can have your own point of view / opinion . have all the options were researched ? tried ? before starting a war ?

There are so many things where a tiny fraction of the money which is being now spent on "war", if spent, it would have changed the face of the earth . but why they are not solving those ?

what is happening ? are you getting safer day by day ? or life getting more riskier ? something wrong has happened ? why the gass/fuel price is so high ? these question comes to many ones mind .

And always remember there are billions (not millions) of people who believe like me and also millions of people who believe like GWB/TB . Who has more believer ? If I find someone who has different view, belief, I should kill him ? is that will be the right thing ? I don’t think so .

And what is truth … is a truth … even if only one person or no-one knows that, will not change that truth into a lie, but only in our thinking/perception.

when USA does something good ... i / we enjoy, contribute, celebrate, get excited, give credit for that/those . But which actions are "evil" / "bad" / "wrong" / "unjust" ... i / we don't like them . You cannot make people like me / us like those . Can you live with this fact ? or, you’re going to "brainwash" / "kill" me ?

Who are doing those good stuff ? president ? politicians ? judges ? researchers ? students ? teachers ? laborers ? blue collar employees ? regular employees ? anchors ? journalists ? blind people ? people with open eyes ? police ? secret service agents ? FBI ? CEOs ? corporations ? companies ? news agencies ?

who are doing more good than bad ? if you/we don’t have free press,(/news channels/news papers) then how will you/we know ?

why some people are afraid of true information ? and/or, why some group of people are hiding the true news ?

If there were real journalist and freedom and democracy in USA, then none of this would have happened or started .

some group of people need more wealth, more property, more power, more money, more enjoyment of killing and or more .... lots of money and other property and lots of ties are involved . they are doing many destructive things by keeping that information hidden from you/us , so that they can get what they want .

If we can get and maintain "freedom" and "democracy" then many of these so called "mysterious" or "weird" or "unknown" things will be explained.

- Guest_Guest_MS
rafael peralta
Dear Guest_Guest_Ms,
Read your new reply above and while I disagree in that this is still a PHYSICS FORUM, dealing in this case with RELATIVITY, QUANTUN AND NEW THEORIES, about possible CAUSE OF TSUNAMI, in particular, the theme was started by JOGENDRAHSING, with well intentioned inputs by other registered members such as RPENNER and ARTONE.
Your input was very interesting in posing as posible cause a nuclear device, which in physics throws a posibilty worth investigating, just as well as planetary, tidal, oil drilling and remote triggered seismicity.

When we got into a FEVERISH discussion on moral issues, GWB,TB, etc, it seems to me the theme got a bot out of hand. Period. (Maybe if we were to investigate possible ultrasonic strange frequency bombardment of these gentlemen's brain cells, yes, maybe...)

What I mean by identifying yourself to get closer to a human level, is that I can guess RPENNER OR ARTONE are actually people members living in a +4 hours time zone to mine, maybe LONDON, OSLO, REYKIAVIC. But you, my dear guest, could well be a computer programed to go on and on over the same phrases as it looks, NO PHYSICS, NO REASONING, NO ANALYSING, nothing new over pages.

Myself, I have a short description in my member form, which you can FREELY look upon and know who you are writing to. To end my input into this theme, I can assure you I know TRUTH and LOVE, COMPASSION, SYMPATHETIC JOY and ECUANIMITY which allows me a free thinking.
All Love to all sentient beings, and to you too dear Guest.
rafael peralta
Dear Guest_Guest_Ms,
Read your new reply above and while I disagree in that this is still a PHYSICS FORUM, dealing in this case with RELATIVITY, QUANTUN AND NEW THEORIES, about possible CAUSE OF TSUNAMI, in particular, the theme was started by JOGENDRAHSING, with well intentioned inputs by other registered members such as RPENNER and ARTONE.
Your input was very interesting in posing as posible cause a nuclear device, which in physics throws a posibilty worth investigating, just as well as planetary, tidal, oil drilling and remote triggered seismicity.

When we got into a FEVERISH discussion on moral issues, GWB,TB, etc, it seems to me the theme got a bit out of hand. Period. (Maybe if we were to investigate possible ultrasonic strange frequency bombardment of these gentlemen's brain cells, yes, maybe...)

What I mean by identifying yourself to get closer to a human level, is that I can guess RPENNER OR ARTONE are actually people members living in a +4 hours time zone to mine, maybe LONDON, OSLO, REYKIAVIC. But you, my dear guest, could well be a computer programed to go on and on over the same phrases as it looks, NO PHYSICS, NO REASONING, NO ANALYSING, nothing new over pages.

Myself, I have a short description in my member form, which you can FREELY look upon and know who you are writing to. To end my input into this theme, I can assure you I know TRUTH and LOVE, COMPASSION, SYMPATHETIC JOY and ECUANIMITY which allows me a free thinking.
All Love to all sentient beings, and to you too dear Guest.
Guest_Guest_MS
Member "rafael peralta" posted on May 22 2005, 09:25 PM ...
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Dear Guest_Guest_Ms,
Read your new reply above and while I disagree in that this is still a PHYSICS FORUM, dealing in this case with RELATIVITY, QUANTUN AND NEW THEORIES, about possible CAUSE OF TSUNAMI, in particular, the theme was started by JOGENDRAHSING, with well intentioned inputs by other registered members such as RPENNER and ARTONE.
Your input was very interesting in posing as posible cause a nuclear device, which in physics throws a posibilty worth investigating, just as well as planetary, tidal, oil drilling and remote triggered seismicity.

When we got into a FEVERISH discussion on moral issues, GWB,TB, etc, it seems to me the theme got a bit out of hand. Period. (Maybe if we were to investigate possible ultrasonic strange frequency bombardment of these gentlemen's brain cells, yes, maybe...)

What I mean by identifying yourself to get closer to a human level, is that I can guess RPENNER OR ARTONE are actually people members living in a +4 hours time zone to mine, maybe LONDON, OSLO, REYKIAVIC. But you, my dear guest, could well be a computer programed to go on and on over the same phrases as it looks, NO PHYSICS, NO REASONING, NO ANALYSING, nothing new over pages.

Myself, I have a short description in my member form, which you can FREELY look upon and know who you are writing to. To end my input into this theme, I can assure you I know TRUTH and LOVE, COMPASSION, SYMPATHETIC JOY and ECUANIMITY which allows me a free thinking.
All Love to all sentient beings, and to you too dear Guest.

this thread is more focusing on "Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories" ... words "NEW THEORIES" are in there ... which covers the theories/opinions been put by many . Why are you skipping the words "mysterious" and "weird" from there ? you're trying to make my arguments invalid ? you're wrong .

if you find my arguments wrong ... then explain , where and what words are wrong .

if moderators of this forum wants they may move this topic to their other forum thread, see below, whenever they want. (Or, may allow it to have in both thread, just by linking to the same topic).
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Dear Guest_Guest_Ms,
Read your new reply above and while I disagree in that this is still a PHYSICS FORUM, dealing in this case with RELATIVITY, QUANTUN AND NEW THEORIES, about possible CAUSE OF TSUNAMI, in particular, the theme was started by JOGENDRAHSING, with well intentioned inputs by other registered members such as RPENNER and ARTONE.
Your input was very interesting in posing as posible cause a nuclear device, which in physics throws a posibilty worth investigating, just as well as planetary, tidal, oil drilling and remote triggered seismicity.

When we got into a FEVERISH discussion on moral issues, GWB,TB, etc, it seems to me the theme got a bit out of hand. Period. (Maybe if we were to investigate possible ultrasonic strange frequency bombardment of these gentlemen's brain cells, yes, maybe...)

What I mean by identifying yourself to get closer to a human level, is that I can guess RPENNER OR ARTONE are actually people members living in a +4 hours time zone to mine, maybe LONDON, OSLO, REYKIAVIC. But you, my dear guest, could well be a computer programed to go on and on over the same phrases as it looks, NO PHYSICS, NO REASONING, NO ANALYSING, nothing new over pages.

Myself, I have a short description in my member form, which you can FREELY look upon and know who you are writing to. To end my input into this theme, I can assure you I know TRUTH and LOVE, COMPASSION, SYMPATHETIC JOY and ECUANIMITY which allows me a free thinking.
All Love to all sentient beings, and to you too dear Guest.

this thread is more focusing on "Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, New Theories" ... words "NEW THEORIES" are in there ... which covers the theories/opinions been put by many . Why are you skipping the words "mysterious" and "weird" from there ? you're trying to make my arguments invalid ? you're wrong .

if you find my arguments wrong ... then explain , where and what words are wrong .

if moderators of this forum wants they may move this topic to their other forum thread, see below, whenever they want. (Or, may allow it to have in both thread, just by linking to the same topic).

PhysOrg - General Discussion Forums
Off-topic
Science non-related discussions: from politics to humor.

will that make any difference what we are talking about ? will that give you more free thinking ? is it bothering you that much ? from your response, looks like that . there are so many things to think ... and you're finding this is an issue !! amazing

ok , we are talking about possible causes of Tsunami ... does this happen without any reason ? no. Does something or someone need to trigger this event ? yes .

then this "something" or "someone" ... what or who is it ?

if we want to identify that , we need to talk about the reason why these group of people or "something" did it .

how did it happened ? don't you think many might have this question in their mind ? and want to know the answer ?

how this event got triggered / started ? who might have caused it ? or, what might have caused it ?

why did they do it ? or, why did it do it ?

isn't that what i'm talking about ? yes . if you don't agree , then , you're making a mistake .

why do you think "moral issues" have nothing to do with it ? humans doesn't have moral issues ? again you're making mistake , if you are to ignore it .

many factors are involved in an action and reactions .

i find these relevant and anyone who have question in their mind will also find this relevant .

if you don't find these relevant , you're making mistake . not me . please clearly explain my mistakes, i'm interested to know what and how you have concluded that. Let the readers understand what is your point of view.

again ... and again ... i'm "Guest_Guest_MS" ... simple as that . why you want to know my time zone ? don't you have enough to have an idea about me ? whatever idea/image you hold about me , is yours to keep .

what will be the difference , if i'm a human, or, a machine ? can you explain it little bit more ? why do i have to put small description in my account ? what difference will it make if it is there and what if it is not there ? what are you talking about ? explain very clearly and elaborately what is wrong in my opinions and what you want . "what" are you finding wrong ? don't forget there is lot of space to hold your opinion in this forum . if possible, please explain elaborately . thanks .

are these another way/technique of threatening people like me ?

please read previous postings and the hyperlinked sites , if you want to find what really happened in that recent Tsunami.

- Guest_Guest_MS
Guest_rafael peralta
THREE SUBMARINES NEAR THE EPICENTER
Adding fuel to the fire...
Following the proposal of a nuclear device causing the Sumatra tsunami, I have done some further investigations of which I recall :
1.- The earthquake might have lasted two minutes in the islands and not 13 seconds as claimed. There still no reply from the seismological center at Malaysia as to strucural damages prior to the sunami.
2.- It seems there were three submarines near the epicenter of the Big Earthquake at the times it happenend. "Strange undersea developments" were the first radio calls to base of the USA and Chinese subs, while the Indian sub was keen on a seismic event.
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