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An interesting article this guy made (among others on his site). It would seem inevitable that this will come about. Will it be a good thing in the end for humanity or another nail in the coffin?

Suicide Pill Article

JavaTool
Suicide pills are hardly a new invention, and they're not very difficult to make or acquire either. The invention of a suicide pill means nothing because no normal human being wants to take them. The website is fundamentalist hogwash attempting to make a connection between abortion and suicide or murder, and its facts are highly dubious. For example:

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Western governments in a near panic to legalize both marijuana and prostitution.
It's amazing how deleting the prefix -il can so dramatically change the meaning of a sentence and render it complete bullshit!

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Western governments in a near panic to legalize both marijuana and prostitution.
It's amazing how deleting the prefix -il can so dramatically change the meaning of a sentence and render it complete bullshit!

The western democracies do an abrupt about-face on recent immigration policies, literally begging for people to come to their shores.
Yes, the US has opened its borders to terrorists and anyone else. The governemnt is just pretending to increase secuirty measures.

Others are just idiotic denouncements of progressive lawmaking, or very weird non sequiturs.
Billy
Suicide pills are not a new invention however reliability and painless death are not garanteed. Also getting your hands on pills like the cia would use would be difficult for the average depressant. Mass production is the key here.

Other methods cant garantee quick and painless death.

And you think people wouldn't want them? Look at the suicide/attempted-suicide rates in NY state alone!

The website is not trying to connect murder suicide and abortion. Just read the article.

"It's amazing how deleting the prefix -il can so dramatically change the meaning of a sentence and render it complete bullshit!"

Have you read Canadian or European news lately???

"Yes, the US has opened its borders to terrorists and anyone else. The governemnt is just pretending to increase secuirty measures"

This article was written before 9/11 and current situation will not last forever. In fact trends suggest immigration will increace radically this century.

You obviously didnt read the article fully if you think he is a reglious fundamentalist.



JavaTool
Some of his view seemed really conservative, with religious undertones. However, I realized that I made a mistake classifying him as a religious fundamentalist after looking into his other writing and a short biography. The essay was soooooo stupid, though. I feel like if he is an intelligent person, he has to have had an ulterior motive.

The Netherlands have had legalized prostitution (Germany too) and lax marijuana laws for a while. I'm not sure about the other European countries, but the US is in no way moving towards legalization
billy
look at new york state gov website( and other state websites) if you dont think US is moving towards legalization of the drug. Not that I agree with it but im just saying.

I dont see anything stupid about the essay. It seems realistic enough to me.

Could you point out what you mean?

JavaTool
Aside from the whole scenario, he doesn't support how the death pill will succeed well enough.

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Potentially astronomical profits
The costs of pill production will likely be so low as to be negligible. Distribution costs, however, could be kept artificially high by the illegality of the substance, as legislated by many alarmed governmental bodies.

$100? $1000? $10,000? How much would people be willing to pay for relief from their problems? For permanent relief? Would any price be too high? Even at only $ 50 per pill, if ingredient costs were two cents each, you'd have a possible gross profit of $ 49.98 per tablet. Or 249, 900 % of the original two cent investment; almost a quarter million percent profit. In a world where conventional investments are considered high yield if they provide fifteen percent return on investment, such windfalls could entice many into the trade.

Though pill production and distribution would enjoy great logistical and pricing advantages over many previous drugs, and even the benefit of a somewhat ambivalent public attitude ( notwithstanding that of governments ), the pill trade will also be able to operate with a much slimmer hierarchy of personnel. Producers may typically be much closer to the end-users, thereby cutting out entirely many of the middlemen who have prospered in the more traditional markets by way of smuggling drugs across borders. Therefore producers would retain a larger share of any gross profits garnered.
<br>Some big assumptions are made here, and the author does not conclude with any real prediction of the cost. He says the drug could be $100, $1000, $10,000 or even as "low" as fifty dollars. Why can't it be really cheap? He operates on the assumption that people will want this like they would want a drug like cocaine or heroin, and so would be willing to pay high prices for it. There's no proof, and I don't know why the suicide pill should even be compared to recreational drugs (his reason is really unsatisfactory). The strength of the argument relies significantly on the drug succeeding however. I really think the author is overreaching his boundaries by allowing so many assumptions, each of which are really important to guaranteeing the specific future. I mean, it's a fine scifi story, but as an essay I really don't agree with its conclusions.
komali 2
Ya, that article didn't make much sense. Not much of it seemed true, and there was a bit of democratic/liberal bashing. He did have some good points about the suicidal pill, but the rest of it didn't really support the topic much....
icecycle
I donno.
If I were going to commit suicide I think it would have to be in a phone booth with an inflatable rubber raft while wearing a superman outfit and a sponge rubber nose.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be very funny.

Oh, and big yellow mickey mouse gloves.

Possibly clown shoes, but that might turn funny into just silly; a lot of people will not laugh at silly.
Thesixteenyearoldsurviver
When I heard about the concept of making it legal to make it easier for people to be able to end their lives, In my opinion, typing out any instruction towards which would lead to a persons death leaves you just as bloody palmed as before, YES it is their life and they can choose how to live it, but where are we going to draw the line? You legalize abortion, you plan to legalize euthenasia, and now this? When did peoples lives become so worthless that you rather have them die, than go out of your way to help them?

People commit suicide because they feel so much pain that they feel death would be the only way to ever escape it, I mean physical pain, emotional pain and mental pain, but if a person was in a fit of rage after finding out his wife had cheated on him, would you hand him a knife? You can't possibly say that handing instructions for a suicide pill to some one who is in such emotional pain is wrong, we make brainless decisions when we are drunk on emotions.

To me sayings its ok to let some one end their life is the same as a hypothetical question, "You are driving down a city road, you see a man who has both his legs broken and is in great pain, and every one walks by without notice, Would you throw them a pistol with a single bullet, Or pull over and give them a ride to a hospital?

He may be able to walk again, or he could be crippled for life, but he would be living life again, even if he did carry those scars, he would be alive. So when did we start shooting people out back like horses? and don't tell me its not at all related to shooting them, because when you legalize or offer a way to kill some one, instead of offering a way for them to heal.

Apathy kills far surer than bullets, Life is precious, reguardless of your beleifs, I feel so sorry for the makers of this pill, who are/were so jaded and hate filled that they thought life was a painful endevour, not worth enduring, I know how they felt, life is far from easy, I wanted to kill myself at one point as well, but I didn't want to die, I don't really think any one does, I think that they are hoping for their death to make them wake up, and have had all of their terrible experiance to be a nightmare which they awake from.

A nation does not crumble from without, Until it has destroyed itself from within, now you tell me if killing ourselves doesn't sound like being destroyed from within.
Knot of this world
Well said, Thesixteenyearoldsurviver!

Another sign of Humanities impending madness, and those who get sucked into its vortex only have to start taking it seriously...

icecycle has a good attitude. It's a joke, right?


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danrice56
After reading some of the thoughts on suicide I wanted to post and welcome any replies. What would you say about a young boy, who has enormous potential to make a mark in the world. He's attractive, highly intelligent, even talented. Yet for some reason, unbeknownest to his parents, doctors, psychologists, even himself, he is silent and withdrawn. As he grows older, despite all his potential, that is all he does, simply grow older. Even though women filrt with him constantly and he he often hears how cute he is, even though he's often told how smart he is, he spends his years going from menial job to menial job. Eventually, with enough people asking him if he hates his life so much why doesn't he change it, he comes to realize there's something wrong with him. It's as if he's grown up in a box, and therefore he doesn't, can't view reality the way others do, which is the one essential ingredient needed to change one's life, or even get by. He desperately wants to change his life, is miserable, yet because he lacks the openeness it takes to shift one's life from one place to another, he can't. Now he's almost 40 and working as a janitor. He's lucky to have survived this long. He looks ahead and thinks about the next 20 or 30 years and honestly doesn't see it getting better. Why should he want to go on? To have been given so much, yet to be denied the one thing, normalcy, to unlock it. And to be condemed to a life he knows he is better than. That is my story. Everyone I talk to of course can't help because all they can say is only I can do it, and because I've grown up silent, I feel incapable. I've often heard "Why don't you talk?" And I honestly don't know why I'm silent most of the time. I did have a hard childhood, but so did others and they overcame. I somehow didn't. I would welcome a suicide pill for one, and I will also say that unless someone has walked in my shoes they have no right to offer advice on how precious life is.
El_Machinae
Personally, I would prefer to live in a world where the only deaths were ones that were willing. This, of course, necessitates suicide being an available option.
Thesixteenyearoldsurviver
Ya cause obviously giving up is the best answer, and if ur in the mindset that your life is a pathetic cycle, its gunna stay that way, if u want to be miserable u can't become happy, but why not just give up? I don't see the situation with Iraq getting better, Why not just nuke that, people killing each other? meh it won't change, lets just stop making murder illegal, Oppresion in africa? won't ever be fully stopped may as well quit while we are ahead and save our time on ourselves, people are depressed and want to die alot now a days, lets tell them we don't care and hand them a 1 bullet musket, retarded baby? kill it, have to walk to work but don't feel like walking? quit ur job.

Life isn't easy, and humanity is getting worse, so in ur perspective of quit while u can, why don't we all just pop ourselves off now and save us the hardship.

Pain is a part of maturing, So is joy, here you are mouthing off your opinions and views with no idea of what its like, It does as much good as a pharmacist giving a cave diver tips.

All it takes for evil to succeed, Is for good men to do nothing.

and ya I felt like my life was going no where, guess what, change your life, don't end it, if you need to sell all your junk, and take off into god knows where with a full tank of gas and a wad of cash to do it, do it. Giving up, letting go, taking the easy way out, nothing comes out of it.
Madkite
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I did have a hard childhood, but so did others and they overcame. I somehow didn't.
<br>I'm not sure you ever totally overcome a bad childhood. You just cope. It may get better but it never goes away.

I doubt that this will make any difference to you but sometimes the smallest thing can lead to unbelievable ends. But only is you act on them. I have found pursuing something somebody said to me idly has lead to committing myself to do incredible things. Just run with an idea once and see where it takes you. You sound like you think you have little to loose so why not.

I wish you well danrice56.
soundhertz
danrice56, you are still in your thirties? Good news! You have a lot of time - well enough time - to change your mind! It's taken a while to get to that decision, but when you do things will move along much faster. You are on the verge now; your post suggests it. My dad was among other things a therapist. I saw miracles my friend. People you can't hold a candle to, who emerged inspired and with vitality. You can't do it alone: it seems your apathy comes from thinking (hoping?) you can but the task is too insurmountable for you to focus on a framework. You are probably scatterbrained on how to try.

One thing at a time, friend. You absolutely need to find someone to talk to, to develop your courage. Right now that's the issue. Courage. Develop that, and gumption and inspiration will follow. You'll be amazed at how dedicated you are, and how energetic! Lack of courage creates vast lethargy/fatigue/laziness/resignation. Then the only drive you have is to go to work, because you are at least inspired to stay alive. So start doing what you think you can't. What life have you got to lose? Even trying and failing feels better than not trying! You're hating yourself not for just letting your past self down, but every day for making it like all the foggy yesterdays. But you're not even forty? Get up my friend!! Now!!! Get it? The real change of a lifetime happens in a moment. All the rest of it is followup...

peace to you, jb
El_Machinae
I'm not saying that options should be removed from people to get access to things that will help them. That would be inhumane.

But, in the end, only one person can decide that their life is worth it or not. The best the rest can do is help them realise their life is worth it. But in the end, it's a personal decision. You can't force someone to appreciate life
God_Hates_Me
QUOTE (Thesixteenyearoldsurviver+Oct 1 2006, 12:33 AM)
Ya cause obviously giving up is the best answer, and if ur in the mindset that your life is a pathetic cycle, its gunna stay that way, if u want to be miserable u can't become happy, but why not just give up? I don't see the situation with Iraq getting better, Why not just nuke that, people killing each other? meh it won't change, lets just stop making murder illegal, Oppresion in africa? won't ever be fully stopped may as well quit while we are ahead and save our time on ourselves, people are depressed and want to die alot now a days, lets tell them we don't care and hand them a 1 bullet musket, retarded baby? kill it, have to walk to work but don't feel like walking? quit ur job.

Life isn't easy, and humanity is getting worse, so in ur perspective of quit while u can, why don't we all just pop ourselves off now and save us the hardship.

Pain is a part of maturing, So is joy, here you are mouthing off your opinions and views with no idea of what its like, It does as much good as a pharmacist giving a cave diver tips.

All it takes for evil to succeed, Is for good men to do nothing.

and ya I felt like my life was going no where, guess what, change your life, don't end it, if you need to sell all your junk, and take off into god knows where with a full tank of gas and a wad of cash to do it, do it. Giving up, letting go, taking the easy way out, nothing comes out of it.

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Roflmfao, don't you mean.... all it takes for evil to succeed, Is for God to do nothing.?

A suicide pill is a good option & not a new idea, because all humans will never be content with the act of existing & not living!

EXAMPLE: Let's say that you was sent to earth & Lord of this world said... you have only 3 option on this planet....

1. Choose to join evil & you will live & be allowed to provide for you, family, etc.

2. Choose to join good, you will exist & not be allowed to provide for you, family, etc.

3. Or, if you choose suicide you will not have to participate in either.

In an attempt to avoid the inter-dimensional games being play with your life, history has shown that people have, is & will always choose option 3, because the end result of 1 & 2 will still equal your misery & death just at a different day & time.
Derek1148
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