Amid the obsessive scholars and scheming prelates who inhabit Dan Brown's global blockbuster, The Da Vinci Code, there is a real person.

Maurizio Seracini works in a high-ceilinged, colourfully frescoed palazzo just across the river from the Uffizi gallery in Florence. His premises are packed with machines that look as if they belong in a hospital or laboratory.

The Da Vinci Code revolves around the contention that Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings are full of symbolic allusions to a secret claimed to have been preserved by successors of the defunct medieval order of Knights Templar - that Christ married Mary Magdalene and had a family whose descendants are alive today. What attracted Brown to Mr Seracini was his epic investigation into what lies below the surface of the Adoration of the Magi, a work the art detective believes was sketched by Da Vinci, but painted over by someone else.

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Yeah? Well, so what? How is that important to science? What; so some ancient middle-eastern crackpot was human after all, and not a "god" - well whoop-de-whee. It still bears no relevance whatsoever to modern day research; it cannot help with the continued survival of either species or knowledge; so - what use is it?

Guest,
Are you mad or what? The story is about new techniques that allow to see through the painting and find hidden images. It's relevant to science and it's very interesting.

I actully have a degree in fine-art, which is weird considering what I do, or maybe not...but it makes me feel free to comment heh...

Hell yes this is relivent to science.

For one thing it can be argured that Da Vinci was one of the first scientists, but like all artists of his day and before he was highly censored.

Visual art was the News Media of the day, the main dissemination medium for church and state propiganda

I studied in school with great interest the way that artists would encode ideas and messages into their work, most being insults of one form or another against the leaders of the day or peers.

However, alot of things that we might think of has no big deal, relating to 'natural science' might also be hidden in Da Vinci paintings...very much the same way has when a copy of The Method was found has a palendrome in a prayer book.

Finding The Method was a big deal I think, to see exectly how PI was approximated etc.

With regard to the blood line of christ...

The templars/masons have 'cultivated' this blood line for generations, there are 100s of thousands of people that have a bit of it, the Moroms ( a break away Masonic sect ) have a database of all of them.

One of the main reasons for all this fuss is that in the west we never have had a good system for the interal cultivation of 'chi' or 'viril'

A Christ, or The Christ is someone who has 'completed the rainbow' so to speek. And is able to control chi consciously.

Chi is like electricity, and when if 'moves' it generates EM flux, in a few decaids we will take it for granted that it is a 'real' part of the EM spectrum, really sidreal.

Anyway, in Asia and stuff they have all kinds of systems that anyone can use to cultivate and manipulate chi, here we don't, or they are heald in family linages, mostly ones desended from this 'blood line of christ'

Mary was also important too tho, she was a marovingian, like the french kings also claimed to be.

The painting Shepards Of Arcaida is said to contain a secret code that proves all this.

Anyway, all US presidents are from this 'blood line' etc...

Now, with Chi Gong and Tantra making its way to the west alot of stuff will change, Dan Brown has a good loyal Free Mason is helping this along by very gently introducing these ideas.

This completes an inital secret contact where Vajrayana Tantra was first intoduced to Free Masonry in the 1750's.

Selective breeding programs are a VERY bad way to go about cultivating chi, they lead to all kinds of crasy abuses and entitlment to rule.

And most of all, Insanity.

Most members of families that are decended from this 'Rose Order Breeding Program" have renouced all of it and make no claims at all.

And do well just to keep their sanity and play along.

Best Regards.

Religion will kill itself, sooner or later. The religious view would postpone or even stop the advance of relative immortality science.... which one day would result in a big fight and the losers would die, which definitely is religion, I will personally make sure of that. The holy war of human against religions, human against teh non-existence"gods".

Imagine if most of the religious people gets hurt by mysterious terriest ?? Christian would be amongest the first to DIE.

This is not about gods or magic.

Its about Chi.

Its the same has the 'discovery' of electricity.

Its masked by symbolic langague that most of the 'scientific' community seems to lasy to decrypt. Which is fine, I don't blame them, its a rats nest.

The 'chi' stuff did not come over when alchemcy converted itself into the basis of 'science.'

However, if one is not willing to do the transalation work required to understand the symbolic langague then I respectfully suggest they not make a fool out of themself by absuing technical jargon they don't understand.

Electricty or Witches fire it still makes my computer go.

Guest,

What an exceptionally narrow view of art, science and humanity. The concept of christ being human would case a catastrophic shift in the belief systems of the christian world (not that this would be a bad thing in my personal opinion (which is aside from my point). Take some time to hypothetically analyse this situation, and at least exercise some imagination if not broaden your mind a little (no offence intended).

I hate to even open this padoras box, but, Carbonflux, WHAT THE *** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!?!?

Chi?!? The blood of "The Christ" having EM properties that we will take for granted someday? Is this something in the book The Da Vinci Code you have misguidedly understood to be "real" or is this some other, outside influence of ignorance you are introducing into this forum?

*** me man, is this the retarded supersticians/drugged-out hippy/crystal ball forum? is this www.parapsychologyOrg.com?????

I suppose you are free to comment, but just to let you know, you are TOTALY DELUDED and your ideas have NO BASIS IN REALITY.

OKOK, I get it - you were pulling my leg. Good one, you got me. It took me a while to realize that you must be joking, as no one could possibly function with the level of cognitive dissonance that must exist in a brain beleiving in those concepts. Nice.

Hi Carbonflux,


<br>yick!... are you saying that George W. Bush is a descendent of Jesus?

Cheers

Yes, George Bush is a member of this 'blood line'

The real issue with the blood line stuff is to breed 'ESP' into a ruling elite.

It is a huge edge after all.

Q: "Are you saying George Bush has ESP?"
A: Of a sort yes, but remember these blood lines are deluted greatly.

Heh, with regard to prior comments I am not saying that its the right thing to do or that it makes sence but none the less these breeding programs have and will continue to go on.

And yes, I do think that someday 'chi' or what ever u call it well be seen much the same has we see electricity; a media that can effect matter much the way sound effects matter and that can be effected by what we could call pure mental will.

What is so wrong with that?

Something like that has to be going on at some level anyway.

Carbonflux, you have a degree in art. That makes you qualified to talk about art, but not science.

You have no idea just how baseless your claims are, you obviously have no understanding of science whatsoever.

First of all, your claims of chi and the like have been investigated multiple times, and are completely without merit.

Second, where is your proof that all American presidents are of a certain bloodline? Do not make claims without being able to back it up.

Third, your claim that "in Asia and stuff they have all kinds of systems that anyone can use to cultivate and manipulate chi, here we don't," means nothing. Asian medicine and traditional science is baseless, and any usual medical improvements are attributed to the placebo effect. The very fact that you do not know this means you have taken no time to research this "chi" that you claim to be knowledgeable of.

You are making yourself look like a fool with your outrageous claims. I recommend you spend your time telling it to the "theory" of Intelligent Design morons, they will love it since it involves Jesus.

http://www.faithless.org/

Masters Degree,
Your statements:


<br>Leaves me wondering who is making outrageous claims. You're saying back when surgeons first started washing their hands before operating and thus reduced surgical infection rates that the result was because of a 'placebo effect'???

Claims like these are no more or less outragious then any others.

Science and Physic is based on sampling it is good at making maps.

But it never speaks to why.

Science is a child of Alchemy.

When Alchemy created the sub-set we call science all references to cogntive processes and their relation to matter were withheald.

Da Vinci understood this very well.

He would have hidden clues in his paintings for sure.

Hidden in the myth of the 'blood line of christ' story is a secret and a good one and I am just trying to point too it.

Has to proof that all US presidents are members of this 'blood line.'

I am also a memeber of that blood line and a member of two presidental families. All this 'knowledge' is first hand direct experience.

Has to 'The Chirst' its a label.

The reason the 'blood line' is important is the following...

All thru life we see a heirarchy of 'Intelligence'

And yet it stops with humans, where is the life form that 'prays' on humans, that is the next level in the heirarchy from us?

The elder race if u will.

Where are they? they have to be there given what we see 'below; us.

The elder race did mix with humans at one time and there has allways been an effort to preseve this dna.

Its really simple.

Anyway, I was raised to beleve in all this stuff so forgive me if it does seem insane because frankly what most 'outsiders' think seemed insane to me at first.

Like the idea that mind arises from matter.

Best Regards.

Carbonflux, I find your claims absolutely fascinating, and I will not say whether or not I believe you, as I am undecided. But my question to you is this: If we (as the "lesser" humans) have not known of this information for 2000 years, wouldn't that mean that this is "classified" (or insider) information? Have you broken a code of silence?

heh THEY...why yes I have...Dan Brown really started it, someone has decided its time for more to come out and has opened the flood gates...it dangerious tho, the idea is to join science and religion and it will result in the destruction of christianity...which will hurt alot of people so I am against it but maybe I am wrong, maybe its time, seriously tho...

"Place the greatest secret in the world in the middle of the road and it will still remain secret because of its nature" -- Alexandra David Nell

Let me ask you this, how hard is it too keep your credit card number secret from your cat or dog?

They can't even read or even form the basic object recognisers required to create an effective context for the idea to form in.

Same problem here.

Best Regards.

<br>Are you talking about the destruction of all religion or just christianity? In either case, what will be left? Scientology?

The goal has allways been the 'destruction' of religion, which it can be argued is an evolutionary scaffolding.

Or not heh, I think religion has been more trouble then its worth has a social organising force.

To be more specific, the goal is normalization.

When there is no super-natural there is no religion.

This also means an end to science.

"Science" would not exist without religion.

Specificly, Science would not exist without Christianity. It arose has a counter force.

Most of the negitive comments I hear from highly educated people contain in my opinion a element of justifiable horror when addressing these issues.

To me that is the inheritence of being a counter force.

Science got us out of the darkages by killing the power of the church and creating a religion of matter worship in its place.

In the end, both will have to go.

Right now I see Science has a kind of institution of stored knowledge...when asking people how important the scientific process is to science I am often surprised by the answer: "Science is Knowledge Not Process."

Is Science Knowledge or Process?

If Science is knowlege then it is no better then religion.
Then in fact, it is religion, based on variations of prior dogma.

Best Regards.

Carbonflux, come now, let's learn a 7th grade science lesson:

First of all, science could exist without religion. Science tends to explain away things religion used to explain by God, no problem here. There are still explainable yet unexplained things with or without religion.