gshenkers This is not to say that the AWTheory is invalid, but it must be mathematically formulated. Mathematics is simply the science of quantities and the universe is assumed to be understandable or quantifiable, thus the need of mathematics Can you give the details of how the dynamics of the following was done?
 What formulas were used for generating the graphics? Can those formulas be used to predict the dynamics of spacetime? Do you have a way of making the concept useful? To make it useful....will you be using math.? The above is only 2D and we live in a perceived 3d environment. I would need more details for it to be useful. I would need to see how each of those points are interacting in 3D. Maybe the model crashes in 3D. If you can make a dynamic model of spacetime, (which I can't), that is predictive, then you will have accomplished more than anyone. jal
Zephir
11th August 2006 - 12:54 AM
QUOTE (jal+Aug 11 2006, 02:00 AM) Can you give the details of how the dynamics of the following was done? To solve the math model of AWT you should learn at first, how to solve a partial differential equations (PDE), the wave equation (WE) in particular. The simplest way is to use some sort of finite element method (FEM). You can found a lotta algorithms on the web. or u can use some commerce solvers, like the Mathematica package or FlexPDE, my favorite one...
jal
11th August 2006 - 01:07 AM
| QUOTE | Zephir! I get the concept that you are advocating. I want detailed information. Can you be more helpful?
????
QUOTE (-> | QUOTE | Zephir! I get the concept that you are advocating. I want detailed information. Can you be more helpful?
???? To solve the math model of AWT you should learn at first, how to solve a partial differential equations (PDE), the wave equation (WE) in particular.
It's your model....Is that all?.... NO MATH FROM YOU? NO WAY OF KNOWING MORE FROM YOU?
| QUOTE | If you can make a dynamic model of spacetime, (which I can't), that is predictive, then you will have accomplished more than anyone.
JAL
Zephir
11th August 2006 - 01:39 AM
QUOTE (jal+Aug 11 2006, 04:07 AM) It's your model....Is that all?.... NO MATH FROM YOU? Of course, the AWT is fully defined by two equations:  , here's just a single possible way, how to combine it. It's only your problem, how you want to solve it, you can use a lotta methods. But this is the matter of math, not physic.
jal
11th August 2006 - 02:02 AM
Zephir
| QUOTE | It's only your problem, how you want to solve it, you can use a lotta methods. But this is the matter of math, not physic. Therefore, once I get the concept, I cannot get any more help from your model. I guess that I'll have to look elsewhere. jal
Zephir
11th August 2006 - 04:31 PM
QUOTE (jal+Aug 11 2006, 05:02 AM) I guess that I'll have to look elsewhere.... Definitely - if you're not the able to solve the math problems on computer, you'll have problem not just with the AWT, but with most problems in practical physics. This is simply a situation of contemporary formal math.
Pupamancur
11th August 2006 - 05:42 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Aug 11 2006, 04:31 PM) Definitely - if you're not the able to solve the math problems on computer, you'll have problem not just with the AWT, but with most problems in practical physics. This is simply a situation of contemporary formal math. why bother, AWT is a hoax, there is nothing in the wave equation. And E=mc^2 is not even the complete form . Dust in the eyes.
Zephir
12th August 2006 - 06:50 AM
QUOTE (Pupamancur+Aug 11 2006, 08:42 PM) ...there is nothing in the wave equation. And E=mc^2 is not even the complete form... The question is, why nobody attempted to connect both these equations into one solution till now? At least out of mathematical curiosity? Maybe some nice fractals appears, suitable for screen saver or WinAmp animations....
Confused2
16th August 2006 - 12:20 PM
From considering the drawings posted here.. http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=115876QUOTE (Zephir+) .. I'm trying to explain the contemporary physic by the way, which can be understood by virtually everybody
<br>Am I the only one that doesn't understand what relevence either drawing (bullet and twisted snake) have to relativity? Please help me to see what are other people seeing there that I am not? I have seen that 555Joshua thinks your drawings brighten the forum up a bit .. I have to admit I would be slightly surprised if Josh could point out any relationship between the actual drawings and relativity (I may be wrong of course). QUOTE (Zephir+) I don't think, you're even able to prove, my diagrams doesn't fits the relativity(mathematically) - so your stance has no practical significance.
<br>Given that I have no idea what the diagrams show you are quite right that I can't prove anything from them. You posted them.. what can you prove (or even clarify) from them? -C2.
Pupamancur
16th August 2006 - 02:36 PM
QUOTE (Confused2+Aug 16 2006, 12:20 PM) From considering the drawings posted here.. http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=115876Given that I have no idea what the diagrams show you are quite right that I can't prove anything from them. You posted them.. what can you prove (or even clarify) from them? -C2. They are not even HIS drawings, he swiped the Java applets off the web.
Zephir
16th August 2006 - 03:11 PM
QUOTE (Pupamancur+Aug 16 2006, 05:36 PM) They are not even HIS drawings, he swiped the Java applets off the web. As usually, another claim without proof... ...Apart from the fact that, you're not even able to distinguish between Java applet and GIF animation...
Confused2
16th August 2006 - 03:32 PM
Hi Zephir, My comments are intended constructively .. I don't mind where they came from or how they're done .. just .. what do they mean  ? -C2
Zephir
16th August 2006 - 04:06 PM
QUOTE (Confused2+Aug 16 2006, 03:20 PM) ...am I the only one that doesn't understand what relevance either drawing (bullet and twisted snake) have to relativity? Please help me to see what are other people seeing there that I am not? I have seen that 555Joshua thinks your drawings brighten the forum up a bit...... Frankly - definitely not. If you didn't accept the main principle of AWT, the whole rest can be quite unintelligible & confusing for you. For example, I've no problem to imagine the vacuum like elastic environment, and the particles like some standing wave pockets formed by such environment. But the refusal of Aether for more then one hundred years by mainstream of science community exhibits, such concept probably isn't so easy and trivial to understand even for the best scientists at all (like Hawking and super-string theorists). The picture on the left isn't a bullet exactly in fact, it was supposed to be a boat, instead - but it makes no difference. The important thing is, if you're required to observe such bullet just by shock waves, the length of such object is determined by the distance of front and back shock wave, instead. At this moment the perceived length of object depends on the relative speed of object due the relativistic contraction, which is clearly observable by such model.
Pupamancur
16th August 2006 - 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Aug 16 2006, 03:11 PM) As usually, another claim without proof... ...Apart from the fact that, you're not even able to distinguish between Java applet and GIF animation... I looked at the source code, remember? Why is everything about you a hoax? can't you be honest for a few minutes?
Zephir
16th August 2006 - 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Pupamancur+Aug 16 2006, 07:33 PM) I looked at the source code, remember? Why is everything about you a hoax? Please consider, the Aether is over 2000 years concept, the wave equation and mass energy equivalence are more than one hundred years old well proven equations. You never supplied the proof, these equations cannot be combined...
Pupamancur
16th August 2006 - 07:50 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Aug 16 2006, 07:10 PM) Please consider, the Aether is over 2000 years concept, the wave equation and mass energy equivalence are more than one hundred years old well proven equations. You never supplied the proof, these equations cannot be combined... You don't give up on your con game, do you? Who do you think you are fooling? Only yourself.
Zephir
16th August 2006 - 08:31 PM
QUOTE (Pupamancur+Aug 16 2006, 10:50 PM) You don't give up on your con game, do you? Who do you think you are fooling? Only yourself. Well, I rather enjoy such concept, because it helps me to reveal a new connections and analogies nearly every day. If nothing else, the Aether theory is fun - at least for me... Maybe you should found some own theory, too..
Lalbatros
4th June 2007 - 05:16 AM
No news since quite some time. Can we say that the final step is over?
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 07:58 AM
QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 08:16 AM) No news since quite some time. Can we say that the final step is over? Many new ideas were added from this time (the connection between birefringence of vacuum foam and the multiple time dimensions, the connection between Lie group and the closest arrangement of Aether particles, the connection between the number, energy and size of Aether particles and dimensions inside of our Universe generations, etc...). Another question is, why I should be the last and single person on the Earth, developing such theory.
Lalbatros
4th June 2007 - 11:02 AM
Because awt is not a developing theory, it is an ongoing joke. And indeed, besides, many people are developing theories, which means they are testing new idea as well as accepted theories.
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 12:49 PM
QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 02:02 PM) Because awt is not a developing theory, it is an ongoing joke. Everybody from Holly Church could said: "Look, Galieo - the heliocentric theory has not evolved last 80 years (i.e. from last Copernicus publication of it), you see - it is an ongoing joke, so f*off" QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 02:02 PM) ...many people are developing theories, which means they are testing new idea as well as accepted theories... Why not, I'm doing the same: reconciling the latest insights with the latest results of mainstream theories.
Lalbatros
4th June 2007 - 02:08 PM
Zephir,
Don't compare yourself to Galileo, but instead try to subtantiate your claims, if you can:
| QUOTE | (Zephir joking, again) Everybody from Holly Church could said: "Look, Galieo - the heliocentric ... <br>What Galileo had to show was convincing for everybody, even the church.
Remember: the church admitted that the heliocentric model was a simplification for building the epherides. But the church could not admit any "sentense" that would contradict the bible, and this was the real problem. The church could do nothing else but admit the "operational" effectiveness of the Galileo point of view. And all the rest was phylosophy, religion, authority, politics ...
So, if you want to compare yourself with Galileo, just show us what your awt is good for. With awt, can you do more than argumenting on a web forum? What can you do with awt that could not be done without awt? My guess is that awt can make you lose your time, but nothing more. All your posts here are just evidences of this fact. And we are still waiting the crucial posts that would show the contrary.
Enthalpy
4th June 2007 - 03:25 PM
AWT allegedly predicted that helium can't be solid. Pity that Zeph ignored at that time that helium can be solid. Did you read his answer? "AWT works at normal pressure only".
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 03:50 PM
Zephir i see that youre presenting these things as being simple....no math....simple enough for any novice to absorb.. im a novice...... i have some questions.... one is purpose....what do you think the purpose of the universe could be? the purpose of information? the purpose of life? and about my ego.....my mind....my id.....here i am looking outward from these two eyes.....why Zephir? what is the purpose? organization? are we witnessing an upgrade? are we in a program? or are we programming? and Zeph, when my brain dies, what happens to my information? what happens to my id? what do you think Zeph? not spiritually ok? im not trying to be philisophical here...tell me the answers in a scientific way.....im not talking heaven and souls here....im talking...uh.....electrical impulses? and information? and one more question? why does life form in a binary manner? why two eyes, two everything? why not just one eyeball? one, everything? what made the worm split in two? ya know?
Lalbatros
4th June 2007 - 03:55 PM
OldWoman1904,
These questions are for lazy people who don't want to strat learning anything.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 04:25 PM
QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 08:55 AM) OldWoman1904,
These questions are for lazy people who don't want to strat learning anything. lazy....... i dont know about that......maybe maybe it's right brained people who dont want to learn about math.... what i do may seem very uninteresting to you, ya know? you may not want to do what i spend a lot of time doing.... but i am lazy when it comes to learning technical things, this is true... but that is why i try to connect with people that find math interesting.... to volley information... see, to me, these questions are big...ive read books that a person like me would never read....flatland...physics for dummies....programming the universe....and ive looked up alot of words in the dictionary....alot ok? lazy is ok.....as long as i bring some benefit to the forum....ok, maybe not this forum, but the forum of society..then so what? we cant all be scientists ok? its boring...math is boring.... you dont have to answer me.....ok...but leave room for my "friends" who want to talk to me and teach me ok buddy?
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 04:26 PM
QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 05:08 PM) ...What Galileo had to show was convincing for everybody, even the church... Not at all. The geocentric model was formally perfect and it always supplied the relevant result - it wasn't the least reason to change it. Many members of the Holy Office really and honestly didn't believed Galileo in his times. The contemporary situation is completely different, as we know, we have mutually incompatible theories already, so we are required to change all of them. QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jun 4 2007, 05:08 PM) ...So, if you want to compare yourself with Galileo, just show us what your awt is good for.... Ath the first glance, the AWT is good for rather simple intuitive understanding, why the light speed is constant, why the vacuum apears empty while still able to transfer the energy, how the general relativity and quantum mechanics works in term of common Newtonian physics - i.e. the main fundamental tasks, which the mainstream physics has left unexplained. Of course, at the moment you'll understand the nature of this behavior, you can extrapolate further and to predict, under which situations this behavior will become violated. When the light speed becomes dependent on the observer or light source movement. When the unidirectional time arrow reverses or even split itself into two or more time dimensions. How is the probable position of our generation of Universe in the more global context and how it probably started it's life like black hole. Ie it explains the Big Bang event more closely, why the deep Hubble field appears as it appears. Even with respect of formal math the AWT is useful. It explains, why the Lagrange and Hamilton mechanics is so important for quantum mechanics, why and how the group theory is related to the geometry of Aether particles. And at last but not least, the AWT supplies at least two theoretical approach, how to compute the nested space-time geometry by quite general approach: by particle simulations and by recursive solution of wave/diffusion equation. If the AWT would be proven, it will reformulate whole theoretical physics, while still keeping the existing theories intact - it will simply make them a special formal cases of AWT. By the AWT ambitions are even much more general, then just field of physics, because AWT demonstrates, the evolution of the whole observable world is driven by the same principles of gradient driven Newtonian mechanics.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 09:26 AM) Not at all. The geocentric model was formally perfect and it always supplied the relevant result - it wasn't the least reason to change it. Many council members of the Holy Office really and honestly didn't believed Galileo in his times.
The contemporary situation is completely different, as we know, we have mutually incompatible theories already, so we are required to change all of them. council members the church
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 04:47 PM
ok guys, im gonna go post my silly questions someplace else.....please dont come and interrupt with your fancy rhetoric.....ok? im way below your intellectual level so it would be useless for you guys to bother with me right? no point in bothering me ok? so thanks
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 04:49 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 07:33 PM) council members What's the problem? This image is named Galileo Galilei Before Members of the Holy Office in the Vatican in 1633, 1847 by Joseph-Nicolas Robert-Fleury.
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 05:02 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 06:50 PM) ...when my brain dies, what happens to my information... By my opinion, the AWT still doesn't supply the relevant answer for this questions. But it's possible, the human consciousness is not completely immaterial thing, as is generally believed. It's possible, the electrical signal in neuron network are undulating by the similar way, like the quantum waves inside of the Aether foam and they're (re)creating a weak electromagnetic bosons, which can become entangled between different people at the distance. Furthermore it's not clear, how is the destiny of these entangled wave packets after human death. Every density fluctuation of Aether becomes permanent, when persisting for sufficient time. Even the photons doesn't disappear, when materialize into particles of matter completely - and vice versa. The subtle density fluctuations of Aether can form the whole clouds of dark matter, they can remain attracted by Earth gravitational field and wait to its opportunity, how to restore it's shape and waves again. Therefore I'd rather carefully in decision, the things like the telepathy or reincarnation are complete BS. The same can be valid concerning the gravitomagnetic interaction. The AWT explains, why the waves of two rather weak interaction can create the waves of much stronger composite interaction. It's the "water surface effect": the mechanical waves of underwater or in the air are quite weak and they transfer just a low energy density at the distance. But the composite waves spreading along the water surface can transfer a substantial energy and they can spread at the considerable longer distances.  Therefore even the waves of weak gravitational interaction and the geomagnetic field can result in quite remarkable effects in proper conditions and geometrical arrangement - I mean all these strange Egyptian pyramidal retroreflectors and divine rods effects and many other phenomena. The Heim's theory and latest Taimar's experiments are demonstrating, such artifacts are possible, they have a theoretical background and they can have significant effects. We simply have to reanalyze all these possibilities more carefully.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 05:07 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 09:49 AM) What's the problem? This image is named Galileo Galilei Before Members of the Holy Office in the Vatican in 1633, 1847 by Joseph-Nicolas Robert-Fleury. Z--the problem that i have with council members is that.......i guess i dont always trust in the need for them....i dont always trust in the notion that another person has say over another.... complicated i know...we are an animal that lives in groups...groups with leaders...usually the biggest male is the alpha.....protection from other groups would be the reason for the big alpha male right? size matters.... i happen to know some council members in the real world.....just a couple... in my experience, the things they do can sometimes be for show.... and it's interesting to ponder if the rulers rule the people or the people rule the rulers? does the proton rule the electrons or vice versa? so maybe that will explain why i dont always respect what someone in "authority" has to say.... council members the vatican the bishop
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 05:27 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 08:07 PM) ..so maybe that will explain why i don't always respect what someone in "authority" has to say.... By AWT the social interactions are the sort of analogy of the mechanical ones. For example, the place of accidental intersection of energy waves becomes slightly more dense place of Aether foam. As such such place becomes able to focus and cumulate the another energy waves, until it dissolves. This is the moment, why the rich and/or powerful members of every society are collecting the another moneys and power nearly automatically. Now it depends on the force of the mutual interactions, because every large object obtains a tendency to fragmentize again, whenever it reach certain critical size.  The another aspect of Aether behavior is, the influence of powerfully and reach objects (particles, alpha-males, and so on) polarizes theirs neighborhood. The energy waves are have tendency to focus by the density gradients, but to reflect too. Every gradients of power inside of society therefore serves both like the lens, both like the mirror. Therefore the presence of strong social leaders has an tendency to formate both the coalitions, both the political opposition automatically. The more powerful and reach these leaders are, the more strongly is polarized their political environment. When the gradients inside of society arises above certain critical level, a sort of so called spontaneous symmetry breaking occurs, followed by the phase transition. And the civilization will undergo the upheaval and/or social revolution. It's the analogy of internet protocol formation, biological genes speciation, the condensation of vapor into droplets or the inflation period of the Universe evolution. By such way, the AWT supplies a quite general and coherent model for description of phase transforms in quite different and less or more abstract Aether phases.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 05:33 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 10:27 AM) By AWT the social interactions are the sort of analogy of the mechanical ones. At general, every intersection of energy waves in Aether becomes slightly more dense place of Aether foam. As such it's able to focus and cumulate the another energy waves. This is the reason, why the rich and/or powerful members of every society are collecting the another moneys and power nearly automatically. Now it depends on the force of the mutual interactions, because every large object obtains a tendency to fragmentize again, whenever it reach some critical size. The another thing is, the influence of powerfully and reach people polarizes theirs neighborhood. The energy waves are have tendency to focus by the density gradients, but to reflect too. Every gradients of power inside of society therefore serves both like the lens, both like the mirror. It has tendency to formate the political opposition automatically. The more powerful and reach the leaders are, the more strongly is polarized their political environment. When the gradients inside of society arises above certain critical level, a sort of so called spontaneous symmetry breaking occurs, followed by the phase transition. And the civilization will undergo the social revolution. It's the analogy of biological species formation, the condensation of vapor into droplets or the inflation period of the Universe evolution. By such way, the AWT supplies a quite general model for description of phase transforms in quite different and less or more abstract phases of Aether.  i really almost understand that...... can you give it to me 101 style amigo? ok, youre saying the interactions that were seeing are a representation of the bigger mechanical interactions.... the big things interacting with the small things.... ok....do i have it right? cuz im confused.......in society......10% of people make 90% of the money....now dont quote me on those stats, but theyre not that far off..... and what are the numbers on rulers vs ruled? so size doesnt matter? that's what im thinking? set me straight here...
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 05:36 PM
ok, so youre saying focus....focus determines power....is that it?
we are focused on the alpha male....a vortex of focus, and he is the tip....?
so, if all things even out eventually? what is the end result?
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 05:39 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 10:02 AM) By my opinion, the AWT still doesn't supply the relevant answer for this questions. But it's possible, the human consciousness is not completely immaterial thing, as is generally believed. It's possible, the electrical signal in neuron network are undulating by the similar way, like the quantum waves inside of the Aether foam and they're (re)creating a weak electromagnetic bosons, which can become entangled between different people at the distance. Furthermore it's not clear, how is the destiny of these entangled wave packets after human death. Every density fluctuation of Aether becomes permanent, when persisting for sufficient time. Even the photons doesn't disappear, when materialize into particles of matter completely - and vice versa. The subtle density fluctuations of Aether can form the whole clouds of dark matter, they can remain attracted by Earth gravitational field and wait to its opportunity, how to restore it's shape and waves again. Therefore I'd rather carefully in decision, the things like the telepathy or reincarnation are complete BS. The same can be valid concerning the gravitomagnetic interaction. The AWT explains, why the waves of two rather weak interaction can create the waves of much stronger composite interaction. It's the "water surface effect": the mechanical waves of underwater or in the air are quite weak and they transfer just a low energy density at the distance. But the composite waves spreading along the water surface can transfer a substantial energy and they can spread at the considerable longer distances.  Therefore even the waves of weak gravitational interaction and the geomagnetic field can result in quite remarkable effects in proper conditions and geometrical arrangement - I mean all these strange Egyptian pyramidal retroreflectors and divine rods effects and many other phenomena. The Heim's theory and latest Taimar's experiments are demonstrating, such artifacts are possible, they have a theoretical background and they can have significant effects. We simply have to reanalyze all these possibilities more carefully.  huh? so youre saying our brains could be a reciever? and our mind the signal? is that it?
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 05:41 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 08:33 PM) ........10% of people make 90% of the money... This corresponds the apparently nonuniform distribution of matter inside of observable Universe: just a very small volume contains most of the observable matter. But such concentration of power is the reason of it's gradual annihilation: the observable matter dissolves gradually into radiation and transforms itself into vacuum. Therefore even the concentration of capital inside of society leads to the gradual exhausting of the sources of this capital. This leads to the gravitational instabilities and social explosions, which are accelerating the undeniable phase transition even more by avalanche like mechanism. Therefore the AWT enables us to understand these consequences by more deep way and can learn us, how to avoid them. We should realize though, every gravitational instability increases the speed of complexity evolution significantly. Therefore the Universe is not very motivated about reaching of the complete social equilibrium: everything what is interested about is the maximal speed of the evolution - at least at the causal scope of the observable matter. We can say, the observable matter is the special phase of Aether, optimized by quadrillions years of Universe evolution to its maximal evolution speed. Every generalization of Universe should take account into it. The observable Universe appears causal and fulfilling the abstract Platonic laws, just because it was carefully selected for such causal behavior by repeated/nested phase transforms of Aether.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 05:49 PM
ok....zeph.....
so the point is to even out?
Euclid
flat...even...
is that the point of it all.....
wanna know something cool.....I live in 11th and Euclid Ave.....
and im downtown, so my telescope is useless here......all i can see since i moved to Euclid Ave. is side to side.....flatland...
cool huh?
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 05:53 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 08:39 PM) so you're saying our brains could be a receiver? and our mind the signal? It's probable, the Pribrams/Penrose's quantum consciousness model is not completely wrong. The electrical signals are undulating inside of our brains in closed loops and waves, similar to quantum waves. Because the vacuum is elastic material, these undulations can propagated and entangled at the distance. Nevertheless it seems, if such transfer is technically possible, the evolution has a good reason to suppress it by the same way, like the gene transfer between different species. It seems, the evolution of organisms proceed a much faster way, if they're forming the mutually isolated units from information spreading perspective. From the same reason the matter has well pronounced particle stucture.
rmuldavin
4th June 2007 - 05:56 PM
Physorg.com editors asked me to reply, so here is paste of my recent NYT Human Origins post of today: rmuldavin - 11:13 AM ET June 4, 2007 (#86752 of 86753) Question Authority, Seize the Movement by Positive Steps, Integrate and Calcu-late or Early Tripping on Triplet, a Necessary Break from Error http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_equation {{In physics, the Dirac equation is a relativistic quantum mechanical wave equation formulated by British physicist Paul Dirac in 1928 and provides a description of elementary spin-½ particles, such as electrons, consistent with both the principles of quantum mechanics and the theory of special relativity. The equation demands the existence of antiparticles and actually predated their experimental discovery, making the discovery of the positron, the antiparticle of the electron, one of the greatest triumphs of modern theoretical physics.*** However, beginning with the experiments of Stern and Frisch in 1933, the magnetic moments of these particles were found to disagree significantly with the predictions of the Dirac equation. The Proton was found to have a gyromagnetic ratio gp = 5.58 which is 2.79 times larger than that predicted by the Dirac equation. The Neutron, which is electrically neutral spin-1/2 particle was found to have a gyromagnetic ratio gn = ? 3.83. These anomalous magnetic moments of the Neutron and Proton which are clearly not conformatory to the Dirac Equation have been taken to be experimental indication that these partices are not fundamental particles. In the case of the Neutron, yes it is clearly not a fundamental particle since it does decay into a Proton, Electron and Neutrino, that is, . If the Dirac equation is a universal equation for fundamental fermion particles, then any fundamental fermion particle must conform to this equation. Simple, any spin 1 / 2 particle that can not be described by it, must therefore not be a fundamental particle of nature. By definition a fundamental particle is a particle known to have no sub-structure, that is, it can not be broken down into smaller particles thus will not decay into anything else.}} [comments: n ==> p + e- + v, if using the Hans Dehmelt Nobel Prize Conjecture of the e- ==> 1/3e-_1/3e-_1/3e-_ (three 1/3e- subquarks as vertices and equal lateral edges of gluons), however Dehmelt et al used the single positron in a vacuum Penning Trap between a 60 mega cycle electromagnetic field (CH4 frequency) and a static magnetic field such that the positron traveled up and down allowing the ratio of the gryo-inertial force to the electro-magnetic force to be measured out to some 16 decimal places. Just how Hans Dehmelt arrived at his conjectures I don't know, but there are plenty of clues. Currently, given the down time this weekend at the NYT HO reader forum, I've been reading Leszek M. SOKOLOWSKI, "Short title: nonlinear gravity in cosmology" arXiv:gr-qc/0702097v1 16 Feb 2007 , writing now on Apple Text Editor, of the 53 pages, now on page 18, no figures, just equations and words. Confusion especially now about the "spin" word, the paper uses for [page 15] "the energy-momentum tensors for the spin-0 and spin-2 fields appearing in [Einstein Field equations]": spin-x, where x= {0,2} . [continued] rmuldavin - 11:18 AM ET June 4, 2007 (#86753 of 86753) Question Authority, Seize the Movement by Positive Steps, Integrate and Calcu-late or Early Adding to confusion: Model of Major General Spin-x The confusion, or willingness to plow through this well written essay is considerably offset by [page 17] Equation (7), where p=df/dR, I guess the first derivative of the "f"unction with respect to R, the radius of curvature constructed by two tangents separated by a short distance to approximate a second order conic, so as to give a center of curvature where the tangents cross: [box]p - 2/3f(r(p)) + 1/3pr(p) = -1/3g^uvtuv(g,[psi]) Cannot get the scripts the same, but it's the numerals, here, numbers are, -2/3, +1/3, and -1/3, and, if the other terms of which they multiply are unity, then [box]p -2/3[1] +1/3[1] = -1/3[1]; therefore [box]p = 0. The [box]p is a "trace" of author's Equation 5. At the top of page 18: {{it is easy to see that the scalar dies not have it own Lagrangian and eq. (7) must be derived in this roundabout way. The metric field has two sources, the matter and spin-0-gravity. The equation of motion for any matter, (6), is independent of p, yet the matter forma s source ter g^uvtuv for the scalr gravity. In this sense the field p does not directly affect motions of matter and its effects are condined to affecting the metric via eq. (5)}} [Post Comment: Confuse-Us Says "Studies are the Seeds of Knowledge", next question: spin-x, where x={0, 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 1, 2, ...] and why the literature is so sparce. Hint: triplet polyhedra quantum models from micro to macro may give local, relatively safe direct electical power, reducing role of concentrated "Capital" and "Ruling Elites" to wage Iraq War and allow People of Planet Earth to pursue Peace. best, rmuldavin
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 06:01 PM
QUOTE (rmuldavin+Jun 4 2007, 08:56 PM) ...physorg.com editors asked me to reply... You're living in your dimmed world, rmuldavin, well separated from the foreign consciousness.  You're forming the separate phase of Aether, well reflecting the other ideas, both from inside out, both in the opposite direction. I'd call you the particle of antimatter living in its private causuality and timeframe, which will annihilate tragically after direct contact with the surrounding reality.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 06:04 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 11:01 AM) You're living in your dimmed world, rmuldavin, well separated from the foreign consciousness.  You're forming the separate phase of Aether, well reflecting the other ideas, both from inside out, both in the opposite direction. I'd call you the particle of antimatter, which will annihilate tragically after direct contact with the surrounding reality. Zeph--do you mean he's bullshitting?  that's what i call it.... what do you mean forming another phase of the aether? does he trap himself there forever?
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 06:08 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 09:04 PM) ...do you mean he's bullshitting? .... It's hard to say, but he is apparently unable to transfer his understanding to the others. We can imagine it as the accidental collision of very rare form of Aether undulations, which can have its meaning in the different Universe, but from our perspective is seen as unusual and as such chaotic and atemporal. QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 09:04 PM) ...does he trap himself there forever? .... I dunno, nevertheless it seems, his way of thinking is pretty stable - compare the rmuldavin's posts history. Some people can sufficiently interact with the very sparse associations, considering them as real. Even the AWT theory understanding requires the ability to associate apparently a quite distant connections: for example the strings and the condensing foam fluctuations. No wonder, for many people such associations sounds like the apparent BS. They're not being accustomed to work with such distant abstractions. After all, this is why the Aether concept was understood so late, despite of its apparent triviality.
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 06:13 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 11:08 AM) It's hard to say, but he is apparently unable to transfer his understanding to the others. We can imagine it as the accidental collision of very rare form of Aether undulations, which can have its meaning in the different Universe, but from our perspective is seen as uncausual and as such chaotic and atemporal. chaotic.....this would be the example of chaos..... Zephir...what is charge? what are electrons? ive seen images of an electron microscope so i get the visual, sometimes it looks like a wave....a mountain....and i have this one image of an electron that looks like a ball with spikes on it..... so what is charge? current? why do i keep thinking charge must be some 'ring' of some kind? what is the cycle of charge? what is the source of energy, the food? when does charge sleep? recharge?
OldWoman1904
4th June 2007 - 06:22 PM
zeph, i gotta go, been on here two hours.......it's monday.....not good...but hey, can you pm me? i want to talk to you Zeph.....i mean, may i talk to you...i mean, may i bombard you with questions....? but i have to go now.....i've fooled around long enough today... but if i may sir, when i come back , can i ask you some more questions.....like what is outside the aether......when i looked it up, the definition was strange, i thought i remembered aether as being a substance, a rubbery substance....a flammable, sweet smelling substance.....that made me think of a big brain.....ew! but now when i look it up all i find is the greek mythology definition, of a clear sky.....as if aether is something above something else? is that it? is aether a part of a whole? i ask because im noticing all things are binary....all things..so is aether binary too? but dont answer me yet.....Zephie....k? i mean, if you would be so kind as to answer me.....amigo....may i come back later? at your convenience? to bug you? kind sir..... be back later....gotta go "be"...
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 06:31 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 09:13 PM) ...what is charge... The surface of every tiny droplet is polarized and it exhibits so called helicity - the surface undulations are interfering with these internal ones... At the case of the cluster of such droplets, the helicity of undulations is cumulative and it results to the macroscopic charge of particle, which manifest itself to the distance.  What the helicity of the motion really is it's not so easy to explain without matrix calculus. But it's rather easy to draw it.  On the above set of animations, the Aether motion on the right and the left corresponds the positively and negatively charged particle, the particle in the middle is neutral (so called "sterile"), i.e. without helicity of the internal motion and without charge as such. It's evident, the particle charge is the manifestation of the presence of hidden dimensions (which are illustrated by the red mesh). The common incompressible 3D fluid cannot undulate by such strange way, it always forms just the classical vortex rings without apparent helicity, like the particle on the middle animation. The heavy compressible fluid (like the supercritical vapor) can form such fluctuations, though. The absence of charge doesn't means, the particle becomes the wave or boson - it still can interact with the other particles like colliding vortex ring, because it has an internal energy content. It's force action to the distance is limited to the low number of dimensions, though.
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 06:53 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 4 2007, 09:13 PM) ...what are electrons?... By my understanding, the electron appears like oscillating dense blob or cloud of tiny aether undulations. If we'd try to have look at these undulations by some axion microscope more closely, we would see the following motion predominant here:  As we can see, the electron loops are exhibiting a two helicity loops at the same time. One of small radius, corresponding the so called lepton charge and the larger one, corresponding the electromagnetic charge. By such way, the electron is two-charge particle in fact and the electrons are repelling mutually. The picture on the left illustrates a thin beam of these small creatures, escaping from particle accelerator into air through thin mica window. The electrons are colorless in thin layer (the thick layer of electrons is dark blue, though), but the collisions of electrons with air molecules leads to the strong bluish radiation, which can be observed easily by the naked eye. The repulsive forces between electrons are clearly visible here.
rmuldavin
4th June 2007 - 07:02 PM
Aether? Old Woman New, your questions stick like glue, thank you.
Using the Hans Dehmelt flat equal lateral triplet (felt) from mesurement of a single positron in a Penning Trap for over a month, getting the gyro-magnetic ratio (Fg/Fm), some 2.000.... out to 16 places, an observed constant like C, the speed of light with respect to the observer, and for G-string theory the speed of the transverse transfer of elemental energy jumps from the outer electron orbits and other impacts of electron, and nuclear particles, the frequency spectrum foot print as in BIG TOE theory.
The G-string also transmits longitudinally, at the least when conveying a transverse impulse, at the C constant, and perhaps longitudinally greater than C, say 20 to 40 times C.
Thus Z's comments about brain resonances, for my view, neuronal rings, ring counters in digital electrons terms, both axions for the sonic speed Na+/K+ switch from exterior to interior axion tube wall, and even using Roger Penrose's conjectured daughter cell connections of neurons conneced by spindle (nanotubes) maybe near the speed of light, say for a nave, 50%C, our brain/bodies are a marvel GOD is a atheist of consideralbe complexity.
Z: your last moving color blue equal sided boxes would be ideal if you could "skew" them 90 degrees so as to form rombulous, and then draw vertical lines through the up and down veretices.
The result would be FELT tile, in honor of Roger Penrose's work on tiles, and also a way of getting the aether of, for starts, superconducting critical phase transistions at Tc, the Gibbs kind.
So your moving blue square color "blobs" would in fact match the Vc+,- delta T actual observations, I believe recently posted on physorg.com.
Also, it appears to only require some 11 centimenters of rod to detect gravity waves in outer space, so consider that we humans and other neuronal life froms may be able to "read" other humans at a considerable distance, in my case I hear my wife, Jean, cry out "Oh Roger". I got up from lying down waiting for her to come home from a long trip down state. She arrived some 15 minutes later and told me she dozed off while driving for a moment, an began to drive off the road, and cried out "Oh Roger!'
Ode to Roger, Penrose mathematical father, reaching out much farther, Steven Hawking traded his body for a mind fantastic, and we all have the benfit, if we can figure how to keep it.
Best, rmuldavin
rmuldavin
4th June 2007 - 07:35 PM
Z, your graphics are dazzling, triplet 2-D metrics might connect to triplet electrons, and add the benefits of Higgs particle triplet wafers, stacked, at the Black Hole End of distant observations and those from satilites approaching, such imaginations I am studying, but if we co-labored, we both might learn something important.
Most important for "Give Peace a Chance" is the polyhedron changes from Hydrogen, Deuterium, Helium, Lithium, Brillium, Born on the Binding Energy Curve versus Neucleon Number (weight relative to Hydrogen). Maybe a laser of width narrow or broad enough could establish resonances between Boron and one of the Hydrogens, say D, which is in water naturally (from cosmic radiations?).
Your first letter Z, if rotated counter clockwise, and a horizontal line through the center could be big toe $ (ccw pi/2), the "zig-zag-zig", is what I learned in Electrical Engineering at UC Berkeley in the sixites (among a bit of practical politics about the $System$) is negative resistance, feedback.
Lithium when moving to Helium gives off energy, we'd still have to find sources of Lithium, but Boron appears most prevailant, maybe a kind of solar to electrical converter cell? Efficiency maybe be considerably higher than current devices. Lithium batteries are an example, toxic effect need close examination least $exploitation$ leads to extermination.
Hope your forum can stimulate productive Green solutions.
Best, rmuldavin
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 08:23 PM
QUOTE (rmuldavin+Jun 4 2007, 10:02 PM) ...it appears to only require some 11 centimenters of rod to detect gravity waves in outer space... What appears, it's just a dream. Do you have some link to the relevant information about such finding?
rmuldavin
4th June 2007 - 10:36 PM
Z: arXiv:hep-th/0509181 v2 10 Oct 2005 Zamolodchikov’s Tetrahedron Equation and Hidden Structure of Quantum Groups Vladimir V. Bazhanov1 and Sergey M. Sergeev2 Department of Theoretical Physics, Research School of Physical Sciences and Engineering, Australian National University, Canberra, ACT 0200, Australia. Abstract The tetrahedron equation is a three-dimensional generalization of the Yang-Baxter equa- tion. Its solutions define integrable three-dimensional lattice models of statistical mechanics and quantum field theory. Their integrability is not related to the size of the lattice, there- fore the same solution of the tetrahedron equation defines different integrable models for different finite periodic cubic lattices. Obviously, any such three-dimensional model can be viewed as a two-dimensional integrable model on a square lattice, where the additional third dimension is treated as an internal degree of freedom. Therefore every solution of the tetra- hedron equation provides an infinite sequence of integrable 2d models differing by the size of this “hidden third dimension”. In this paper we construct a new solution of the tetrahedron equation, which provides in this way the two-dimensional solvable models related to finite- dimensional highest weight representations for all quantum affine algebra Uq(bsl(n)), where the rank n coincides with the size of the hidden dimension. These models are related with an anisotropic deformation of the sl(n)-invariant Heisenberg magnets. They were extensively studied for a long time, but the hidden 3d structure was hitherto unknown. Our results lead to a remarkable exact “rank-size” duality relation for the nested Bethe Ansatz solution for these models. Note also, that the above solution of the tetrahedron equation arises in the quantization of the “resonant three-wave scattering” model, which is a well-known integrable classical system in 2 + 1 dimensions.
Zephir
4th June 2007 - 10:49 PM
QUOTE (rmuldavin+Jun 5 2007, 01:36 AM) Zamolodchikov’s Tetrahedron Equation and Hidden Structure of Quantum Groups <a href='http://ej.iop.org/links/rFarKqAPK/cmXpb-0S3BG-_QTQav5vpA/a6_13_009.pdf' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Here's no word about " some 11 centimenters of rod to detect gravity waves in outer space", sorry.
rmuldavin
5th June 2007 - 12:21 AM
Z: apologies, the gravity detector for a satilite was described a 4 cm diameter by 40 cm long, that might be a mammal bone, elephants stand on three legs to pick up vibrations. The satilite gravity detector rod reference I now remember as a week ago. Let me do a google right now. Some intial forrays: http://www.physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=80494166http://www.physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=10032LISA and the search for Einstein's waves The LISA configuration. Credit: PPARC ================================ Scientists from across the world came together in London on 12-13 January to review the scientific and technical status of the LISA mission, the world’s first gravitational wave observatory, at a meeting organised by the Royal Astronomical Society (RAS) and the Institute of Physics. http://geo600.aei.mpg.de/research-highligh...10-22-221ahz-1/[comments: sorry, the 4cm sq by 40cm length gravity detector article I cannot find, it may be in one of my three computers, or printed out. The last one is a chart of sensitivities with time for each curve, note the Hz runs from 10 to 1000 cycles, so that gravity waves are detected sonically, so the three leg stance of Earth elephants makes sens too, and I take that to mean the G-string longitudinal vibrations may be an indication of mass of the originating object or objects, and this I've got to get connected with the Hawkins et al Black Hole radiation of glancing masses where the Temperature of the radiation also indicates the BH Mass. Remember: G-strings, transversal EM helical, longitudinal Gyro-inertial, or maybe a buldge like in the word for inertia, Slugs. Neutrinos may be dual helicals with either e-/~H~/e+ repelled by same spins that cancel mostly their opposite charge attraction. Or e-/~H~/e- attracted by opposite spins opposing their opposing same charges. Pure speculation based on power of trilet felts and the little mention of the accepted clues of trilets. Best, rmuldavin]
OldWoman1904
5th June 2007 - 01:38 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 10:02 AM) Every density fluctuation of Aether becomes permanent, when persisting for sufficient time.  Egyptian pyramidal retroreflectors and divine rods effect The Heim's theory and latest Taimar's experiments becomes permanent.....i like that.... i will check out these links....
OldWoman1904
5th June 2007 - 01:43 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 4 2007, 11:53 AM) By my understanding, the electron appears like oscillating dense blob or cloud of tiny aether undulations. If we'd try to have look at these undulations by some axion microscope more closely, we would see the following motion predominant here:  As we can see, the electron loops are exhibiting a two helicity loops at the same time. One of small radius, corresponding the so called lepton charge and the larger one, corresponding the electromagnetic charge. By such way, the electron is two-charge particle in fact and the electrons are repelling mutually. The picture on the left illustrates a thin beam of these small creatures, escaping from particle accelerator into air through thin mica window. The electrons are colorless in thin layer (the thick layer of electrons is dark blue, though), but the collisions of electrons with air molecules leads to the strong bluish radiation, which can be observed easily by the naked eye. The repulsive forces between electrons are clearly visible here. what do you mean they are dark blue...... dark blue.....electrons are dark blue?  get out of here! wow..... why? collision with air molecules? that makes a blue radiation? oh now, i have questions about color....and pigment....
rmuldavin
5th June 2007 - 02:34 PM
Z and OW, I am still reading Sokolowski's "Short title: Nonlinear gravity in cosmology" arXiv:gr-qc/0702097v 1 16 Feb 2007 hope you can get it given nations have difference internet filters. There may be a number of different models for, say here, the leptons e- and e+, and I add the Higgs particles, ~H~, the "~" to show connections with all, yes all, other "dot" particles in our, and maybe other universes. This is my understanding of Albert Einstein's words about measurements relative to our "frame of reference", whether in our home lab-table or from remote satilites, our robots, space stations, or reflections from "fixed" or moving objects. Dot particles rather than point particles to avoid singularities for which their at-a-distance observed mass (e- at 1/1820th mass of hydrogen proton) if reduced to a zero area, point, would become infinite. I learned from my electrical engineering studies with complex number mathematics that such singularities could be reduced to mathematical zeros by matching them with their opposite numericals, that is postives with negative infinities. This is inductive, but appears to be the basis of the symmetry, supersymmetry ideas. Dual dots, that makes sense for supersymmetry, the e- + e+ = gamma rays may be an example, even though one is the "anti-particle" to the other. This is complicated to my perspective for a combination of science and economic reasons. However conservation laws still are in play. In fact last year while doing reference research in Ann Arbor at U of Mich. Library with my 17$/mo. Internet membership I found Thesis essays that showed that when a positron was fired through a vacumm into a thin carbon foil it apparently collided with the carbon obtial electrons and with a static magnetic field emitted three gamma rays transverse to both the positron and magnetic field, each gamma being detected by a number of external detectors. To my mind this was dramatic proof of the triplet Dehmelt electron/positron conjecture. I hesitate to repeat the simplicity of using regular triangles (three vertices with equal lateral sides), r-triplets. Hesitate since your investment of time in the animated 3-D graphics suggests more than science and economics, which enters into the natural evolutionary (to skate near the edges of communication about your efforts) self motivation and contact with other persons as well as your tools for graphical analysis and presentations. Example: Can you get this link to a Figure 15-29 of an essay "Elementary Particles" (first link) and an enlarged graphic of the Figure 15-29 (second link) http://universe-review.ca/F-15-particle.htm#Hmechanismhttp://universe-review.ca/102-30-lqg4.[jaypeg] Note, the "jaypeg" will not pass through NYT, my understanding is that such may contain more hidden spy techniques. I am with the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union, an organization defending the USA Constitional Bill of Rights) and I have observed my NYT write box being backgrounded by blue shaded behind word and phrases, even had to sort of keep rejecting the choice of slogan popdown of past slogans I has used before with what seemed a live spy tapper, from, I surmise, a local Comcast.net provider. If you cannot get the link for the figure, it shows to the left sun "Gamma-ray burst" with spiney spokes (about forty uniformly around) and next to the right two short wavey "Gamma Rays" then all the way to the right a large earth" and at about 7pm a "GLAST satellite" and the two gamma wave about to strike Earth. Inbetween the gamma ray burst and earth "Discrete space" many dots connected so as to form a net of mostly cells of triplets, a few four sided, and one five sided cells. In addition, Figure 15-28 "Quantum Time" shows how a triplet cell and a three D three sided polyhedron can swrink into a dot. This become important to rethinking the "Big Bang" into an "Inflationary Expansion" from a well defined (low entrophy) structure than maybe is part of a cyclic universe, maybe one of may in a foamy universe of many bubbles, but defined as Has Dehmelt's Cosmonium, his conjecture that the initial "Black Hole" was a triplet that each unit expaned into three, say in uniform three divisions, to a "k" level. Add to this a kind of statistical spread, and our own level is somewhere nested between the micro fermi and galaxitc universe. This is not proven science, this is my connecting the dots, likely in my brain, since neuronal nets are likely to have evolved slowly by layers from single cells on up. Give me time and I will give references, but try to get through the Sokolowsky paper, I still reading it, and view this chat group as a classroom world wide wobbly exercise. keep wobblying, best rmuldavin
DocN
5th June 2007 - 04:08 PM
We know that Newton's laws of motion give a complete description of the motions of particles a lows speeds and Einstein's SR describe motion of particles moving close to the speed of light (and for any particles, as far as that goes) and Einstein's equations can be reduced to Newton's equations. Can one derive Newton's or Einstein's equations from this WFT theory?
Zephir
5th June 2007 - 04:11 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 5 2007, 04:43 AM) ...dark blue.....electrons are dark blue?... Yep, for example the middle picture illustrates a tiny bead of Sodium Potassium alloy in anhydrous liquid ammonia. The blue coloration is due to the presence of solvated electrons. Free electrons are strongly absorbing the light waves, the more, the higher frequency = from this a blue color follows. The very concentrated solutions are having a bronze metallic bluster. A montage on the left is showing electrons in ammonia solvent as a function of concentration, from pure solvent to saturation. The free electrons are responsible for metallic appearance of most conductors. BTW A very thin layers and lamellae of most metals are of bluish transparence too.  For example, the strong absorption of free electrons is responsible for initial blinking and "quenching" of the bright flash during nuclear explosion. The gamma ray flash releases most of electrons from air molecules, temporarily creating a dark nontransparent layer of free electrons around explosion core by such way. The movement of free electrons is the source of electromagnetic pulse subsequently.
OldWoman1904
5th June 2007 - 08:55 PM
awesome graphics Z---i still dont get it.....but nice to look at..... so, Zeph, is light a wave or what? and Z-what is color? three colors right? they are wavelengths.....radiation.....right? are there only three colors in this universe? howabout other universes? are there colors we dont know of ?
Zephir
5th June 2007 - 10:27 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 5 2007, 11:55 PM) are there only three colors in this universe? The observable world is much more colorful, then we can even imagine. For example, for bees many monochromatic flowers are still pretty fancy, because the colorfulness of plants is adopted to spectral sensitivity of insect pollinators, not those of humans, in fact.   The kestrels and the other birds of prey can see the vole foot trails at the distance, because they can see the color of traces of the vole urine in the ultraviolet spectrum. So these birds can see the places, where these voles living even at the high altitudes. Similarly, many fishes can disinguish colors in the infrared light, for which the underwater is much more transparent. Furthermore, the insects and many birds can see even another "dimension" of color, i.e. the polarization of light. For humans the sugar solution or cellulose is colorless, while for bees is colorful like rainbow, so they can even estimate the concentration of nectar or thickness of cellulose layers on the plants. The insects aren't required to determine the points of the compass, they can virtually see them all the time, because the sky is colorful in their eyes due the sun light polarization in the atmosphere.
OldWoman1904
5th June 2007 - 10:43 PM
Zephir....i am totally in awe of how much freakin stuff you know....
Zephir
5th June 2007 - 10:56 PM
QUOTE (DocN+Jun 5 2007, 07:08 PM) Can one derive Newton's or Einstein's equations from this *** theory? You know, for mathematicians it's not technical problem to derive everything from whatever...  The AWT is Newton theory based. While the dense particle system behaves like the nonlinear foam, which manifests it's energy gradient by mass density gradient and space-time curvature for subsequent wave spreading, it shouldn't be problem to fit the Einstein's equations to the foam model and vice versa.
Zephir
5th June 2007 - 11:04 PM
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 6 2007, 01:43 AM) ... how much freakin stuff you know.... <!--emo&:ph34r:-->  This is the whole trick in development of new ideas. In aether foam the more particles interferes together, the more sparse and general foam arises. The same occurs during human understanding: the more facts you can comprehend at the same moment, the more general connection you can see. Therefore it's possible, the quite general theory would require to comprehend all the possible knowledge about universe at the same time. By such way, the Universe can be understood in its full depth just only if you can see it in its holistic nature, i.e. from outside. If the black model of Universe is correct, we can study the Universe from the outside perspective quite comfortably, because of many black holes exist inside of our Universe generation. We should understand the Universe behavior well, because we are required to escape or teleport from it, before our Universe generation will evaporate or even explode again. Without it all the human existence would have absolutelly no meaning.
OldWoman1904
6th June 2007 - 02:28 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 5 2007, 04:04 PM)
If the black model of Universe is correct, we can study the Universe from the outside perspective quite comfortably, because of many black holes exist inside of our Universe generation. We should understand the Universe behavior well, because we are required to escape or teleport from it, before our Universe generation will evaporate or even explode again. Without it all the human existence would have absolutelly no meaning. what do you mean observe from outside? really? cuz of the black model universe? i gotta google that. many black holes exist? and we gotta escape....i got that....i'll take 10 tickets please... now, that last sentence, "without it all the human existence would have absolutely no meaning." what? without knowlege of how to escape?  i am totally trippin on what youre tellin me brother
Guest_rmuldavin
7th June 2007 - 04:19 PM
Zephir and New Old Woman (NOW):
In replying I am typing in Apple Word, I also pirnted out your Aether Wave Theory (AWT) reviewing now your eleven enumerations.
Z(alpha/DocN): {{ It shouldn't be problem to fit the Einstein's equations to the foam model and vice versa }} ;
Z(beta/NOW 11:06AM): {{ This is the whole trick in development of new ideas. In aether foam the more particles interferes together, the more sparse and general foam arises. The same occurs during human understanding: the more facts you can comprehend at the same moment, the more general connection you can see. }}
[comment: What about some laws of conservation, even mass and energy? Ok, convert one into the other, say, using E => MCsq’d. I have some trouble converting whar you write and what to draw into a unified word-mathmodel.
Comprehening all leads to inconsistency as I under stand Godel’s proof, which requires a charater generator and a meaning analyzer, like wrtier and reader. Problem, I an finite to the best of my knownlege, and for first approximation I take my brain/mind/body takes the best survival quess, let good Marx do the rest.
Comprehending at a distance, given that the speed of energy is fixed by our sensing media and I assert, the G-string media to C relative to the G-string for the helical transverse rotations (frequencies of the quanta), you as a human would have to construct a model of the ‘entire universe with some assistance. This is just what many humans are doing with “their” technology. Problem: we are all limite, I asseret, if for no other reason that I fear the delusional insensitve humans who contorl the weapons of harm, large and small.
But your expression of caution we humans may self destruct show some hope of solving potential fears.
But let me keep reading.]
NOW (yesterday 2:26AM): Keep trying to awaken Z.
[Comments: Glad to see that the 3-D graphics are missing, but they could add much, I am working with paper cout out, flexible hose that resists twisting, but the G-string seems unbreakable, but possible for two of them to “pass through each other” using string theory surgery and making some assumtiions about their layers, say 26 dimensions minus the one, their length, and adding noise, uncertainty, their diameter.
This is “talking physics”, imagine we are meeting face to face, a few drawing on cave wall or on wet clat with wedge tipped stick (cuneform). Now the key to the kingdumb of high techology with the same barin power our ancestors are imagined to have had.
Best, rmuldavin] ps: will continue reading comments, be back
tikay
26th June 2007 - 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Guest_rmuldavin+Jun 7 2007, 09:19 AM) Zephir and New Old Woman (NOW):
In replying I am typing in Apple Word, I also pirnted out your Aether Wave Theory (AWT) reviewing now your eleven enumerations.
Z(alpha/DocN): {{ It shouldn't be problem to fit the Einstein's equations to the foam model and vice versa }} ;
Comprehening all leads to inconsistency as I under stand Godel’s proof, which requires a charater generator and a meaning analyzer, like wrtier and reader. Problem, I an finite to the best of my knownlege, and for first approximation I take my brain/mind/body takes the best survival quess, let good Marx do the rest.
Comprehending at a distance, given that the speed of energy is fixed by our sensing media and I assert, the G-string media to C relative to the G-string for the helical transverse rotations (frequencies of the quanta), you as a human would have to construct a model of the ‘entire universe with some assistance. This is just what many humans are doing with “their” technology. Problem: we are all limite, I asseret, if for no other reason that I fear the delusional insensitve humans who contorl the weapons of harm, large and small.
But your expression of caution we humans may self destruct show some hope of solving potential fears.
I don't know if it's wise to go around changing the name of OldWoman..., she might have something to say about it. She gave me some grief over the last positive I gave her...she's a pretty hard nut to crack. Cosmic foam, aether waves of grain, it shouldn't be hard to trick ourselves if we try into being more and more creative in the development of new ideas....Zephir is probably onto something and I still see him getting a whole lot of flack. These guys who gave him a hard time must realize that he might get what needs to discover only through exploring this umpteen times, but then...THEN they will understand what he was trying to get at. The problem is I cant tell if he is onto something because, I lack the proper education, besides I am too busy being onto my own ideas. But how about this, each particle of foam is malleable right, like a bubble? Each one open to be changed. If the foam is pressed upon it breaks up into smaller bubbles and smaller particles like an actual bubble might? What if the reason this happens is our participation in the foam of life. What if we struggle with an idea bubble over and over, trying to come up with something that can be more easily understood, by ourselves or others...and eventually that bubble changes, our struggle breaks into tiny particles. And the change has occurred for good then, There is no turning back, but to examine what was in the memory, the mental video of the larger bubble remains but the tiny bubbles will never reform to create the large one, ever again. the bubble can be remembered but it is now tiny bubbles, and not the same. What if that memory is caught up within the tiny bubbles tho~ each one knowing what it was to be the larger one...each bubble having the same memory of where they came from. Rather like the cell in a flesh creature. Cells replicate, divide and change but they have memory of the whole, they remember or contain a sense of being a beginning cell...they contain both the knowledge of the beginning and the knowledge of all replication thereafter...they contain the memory of the time they were burned, they contain all bodily memory. This information is passed between cells in a metaphysical, and/or a simply biological way. Nerves pass along cell knowledge like a person passing on gossip on a phone. This helps us to function with a wealth of information about our own body's, even if we choose to ignore that information until it shouts to us. These cell messages to one another through the nerves hold trapped memories of our pleasures and pains. much like the foam of life...this foam is the equivalent of another body, the body of the air. Charged with magnetism, gravity and moens? Wait I need a cup of something...okay I am back with new insight. Okay what iF...IF...these bubbles that make up our aether or air or atmosphere... contain all the memories of your life floating within them like the cells of the body contain memory of you bodily life? So that if we (humans palnts and animals, along with water as an amplifyer) are like a particle witin a foam membrane and that foam contains every act we ever did, and every thought we ever propigated and every moment of the developing selfhood and developing life on earth (or within the universes), as evolution happens...as we expand. And that foam, is ever growing as well because of life interacting together. Bubbles are being burst... What if that is how psychic abilities are enabled also. What if the working with this foam and the memory it contains is how people can communicate through this medium, telepathically. Like twins, which has been researched, and like those plants who know their own family members, (article in here) what if people know how to read this foam when they choose to, much like when we choose to be very aware of our bodies. And they are unable to read it well when they dont focus upon it. (Too busy or too lazy) and what IF that very foam is the way we send communicae like I am attracted to you, and there is just no way fella...and the like. How do we know that this foam is not the very substance that carry's our most important information to our most subtle forms, so that we are able to participate with life even when we are locked away in a room very much alone? When I was mad I knew so much it blew my mind all the time. I did not know where the information was coming from i just knew so much. I could not figure out why i was channeling so much knowledge and why I deserved to know it and what not. I was tapped into a grid of knowledge. I couldn't even escape because it was so fascinating and big! It was a place where anything you wanted to know was available somehow. You merely had to create some skills, and find the key to let you into the matrix. I was completely psychic. What if the foam is sentient, and it cares for us? This occurs because of two very memorable falls I took. One was on a day I decided to ride my bike to Santa Monica, for the weekend. I was nearly there and the trek was kind of far...and I was probably getting too tired for my best behavior. I hit a signpost on the sidewalk, while going around a post or bench for the bus (or both) and I toppled from the bike onto the side of the road. I hit the pavement in slo-mo and it was soft as a pillow for a few seconds. (Thank you) When I jumped up...I was thinking about that, how soft a fall it was, and immidiately I am transported to the day in Kona when I was picking coffee with a full basket on my belly (weighing something like twenty pounds) and I fell. I had been standing (unbeknownst to me0 upon a stone wall and fallen off. Everything was covered with a layer of vegetation. It was a thin layer and should not have made a difference in my being hurt. I was unscathed. The fall had been incredibly soft. Even though as I fell I pulled the basket close to my torso, so I wouldn't lose the coffee cherry. Closing off the top of the coffee basket with my body. It was like the foam expanded or something to protect me. I was unhurt. I laughed at my unawareness. I giggled about the softness of a fairly big fall. I got up and unloaded that basket into the bag. I knew what had happened both times was special. I knew it meant something to me. I just didn't know what. the fall from the stonewall in the field was about five feet, I was aware that gravity was not what was protecting me from a harsh fall, it was the magnetic...or somehing akin to it. Why was it protecting me. Maybe it was because I loved it. Who knows? There is so much to think about. anyone?
tikay
26th June 2007 - 07:28 PM
Administration you really should try to fix some of these flaws in the system...it would probably be easy for you. I find it really obnoxious when I realize I did not check the (horrible) spelling mistakes and typing mistakes and I go back in, to do so, only to be told I cannot access my own post. THIS happens all the time, it just isn't cool (on your part) and I dislike it. Then I am forced to look dorky~ and that makes me think you are doing it on purpose...and that you are mean. See I used to know how to spell! ~but i got older and cared a lot less...plus im flying across the keys trying to keep a thought held back while i type, and I am not always interested in making sure every word is correct until i am done. If you ARE being mean just kiss it! If you aren't then fix it! ~and I apologize for accusing you.
amrit
28th June 2007 - 10:51 AM
a question for zephir
is ether existing into time or is time existing into ether
Zephir
28th June 2007 - 05:05 PM
QUOTE (amrit+Jun 28 2007, 01:51 PM) ...is ether existing into time or is time existing into ether.... The Aether is the infinitely hot and dense environment by its definition. Of course, such environment exist in some abstract time and space, the only problem is, how to detect such time and space. In such environment most of the density fluctuations are compensating mutually at the very low distance. While both the time, both the space are inertial concepts, they're requiring the presence of some causality of Aether motion to manifest itself. We can imagine the Aether behavior on the example of the tiny waves at the water surface. The motion of such waves is nearly completely driven by the surface tension of water. The water behaves like thin elastic membrane here and the underwater motion doesn't affects the causal motion of these waves by (nearly) any causal way. Therefore, from the surface waves perspective we can say, the underwater simply "doesn't exist" at all. If it "doesn't exist", the discussion about time and space in connection with the underwater existence has no meaning anymore. Moreover, while the Aether concept blurs the curvature concept, we can say, the Aether is infinitely flat. So we cannot decide, what remains "inside" of Aether and what remains "outside" of it. The Aether can be observed from all the possible "sides" at the same time. Every object is formed by Aether and it exists outside of it at the same moment. The word "INTO" simply has no meaning in the AWT, until some curvature isn't defined. ......" Some have maintained that the local movement of an angel is instantaneous. They said that when an angel is moved from place to place, during the whole of the preceding time he is in the term "where from"; but in the last instant of such time he is in the term "whereto." Nor is there any need for a medium between the terms, just as there is no medium between time and the limit of time. But there is a mid-time between two "nows" of time: hence they say that a last "now" cannot be assigned in which it was in the term "where from," just as in illumination, and in the substantial generation of fire, there is no last instant to be assigned in which the air was dark, or in which the matter was under the privation of the form of fire: but a last time can be assigned, so that in the last instant of such time there is light in the air, or the form of fire in the matter. And so illumination and substantial generation are called instantaneous movements .".... [St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Part I, Question 53, 1265/7]
rmuldavin
29th June 2007 - 02:33 PM
tikay, reading your comments, taking a fall and surviving to write or speak about it insures that others will know that one can survive a fall. However without collective reporting of many falls and their measured survival rates for similar conditions, you could be misled. The pull of gravity in free fall is suddenly stopped, that creates an impact, perhaps that green growth on the rocks allowed you to skid rather than an abrupt stop? Maybe Zepher's foam can act to soften the landing of an airplane on a runway as well as putting out a potential fire? Is the foam a by-product of soy beans? "New Old Woman" (NOW) is meant as a compliment. I read her writing as a bit of "putting Zepher on", that is, a gentle teasing. Spelling? My great weakness, writing now on Apple TextEdit and use a "speller" but that doesn't include a grammar or correctly spelled words but not intended. Zepher: Liked your St. Thomas Aquinas quote. I post with NYT Human Origins and give latest on Earth's Van Allen Belts and Continental Drift(s) over time, pre-proto Earth, circa 4.5 billions years ago up to the present. Got to get it from my files: ================================================ rmuldavin - 10:55 AM ET June 28, 2007 (#88957 of 88958) Question Authority, Seize the Movement by Positive Steps, Integrate and Calcu-late or Early Matching Earth's Van Allen Belts to its Inner Layers Herndon presents a model for Earth's present expansion ideas. The link below is the second essay I've read and below it his preceding essay, and then my comments. ??http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0507001 ??{{Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics ?J. Marvin Herndon ?Transdyne Corporation ?San Diego, California 92131 USA ?June 30, 2005 ?Abstract ?The principles of Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics are disclosed leading to a new way to interpret whole-Earth dynamics. Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics incorporates elements of and unifies the two seemingly divergent dominant theories of continental displacement, plate tectonics theory and Earth expansion theory. Whole-Earth decompression is the consequence of Earth formation from within a Jupiter-like proto-planet with subsequent loss of gases and ices and concomitant rebounding. The initial whole-Earth decompression is expected to result in a global system of major primary decompression cracks appearing in the rigid crust which persist as the basalt feeders for the global, mid-oceanic ridge system. As the Earth subsequently decompresses, the area of the Earth’s surface increases by the formation of secondary decompression cracks, often located near the continental margins, presently identified as oceanic trenches. These secondary decompression cracks are subsequently in-filled with basalt, extruded from the mid-oceanic ridges, which traverses the ocean floor by gravitational creep, ultimately plunging into secondary decompression cracks, emulating subduction. Much of the evidence presented in support of plate tectonics supports Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics, but without necessitating mantle convection/circulation or basalt re-cycling. Moreover, the timescale for Earth decompression is not constrained to the last 200 million years, the maximum age of the current ocean floor. }} [continued]? rmuldavin - 10:59 AM ET June 28, 2007 (#88958 of 88958) Question Authority, Seize the Movement by Positive Steps, Integrate and Calcu-late or Early [Earth's Evolution Continues, Models Needed http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0408539 ??[comments: the immediately above earlier essay (August 30, 2004) is referenced with others of the author in the first link. ??Herndon states a primary and secondary earth Expansion exits, primary along mid ocean rifts and secondary along continental edges, he extends these edges into some 2K meters of ocean shorelines and claims a better fit for what other authors for decades have expounded about Earths expansion and some proposed the fit of the most recent 200 millions years ago single land mass the present continents can be fit as a single land mass onto an Earth some 2/3 the size of the present one. ??There are Internet animated global earth expansions testifying to the reasonableness of such conjectures, although some bloggers dispute such as inadequate. ??Herndon proposes his ideas as starting with pre-Solar nuclear ignition, Hydrogen to Helium, and a proto-earth some 300 times as massive as at the present, using Jupiter data as a model. He using the term "raining-in" to describe the condensing of the most heavy density material to form our present core. I sketched some curves in the margin, Present earth Mass versus time, and Present Earth Radius versus time with log base ten, from unity to one thousand. The time scale on the past to the left is before 4.5 billions years ago covering the aggregation of space substances such as meteors, comets, pebbles, gas, and more. ??One of the substances he lists, "enstatite condrite" MgSiO3 which may have been updated by a past NYT HO post a Zirconium, ZiSiO4 attributed to the core to mantle interface, a very heat stable substance that acts as a liquid and presumably conducts electrical currents and play a role in sustaining Earths Geomagnetic fields. ??The primary and secondary up-welling of basalt into mid ocean and continental shorelines that show an earlier fit into a single land mass, Herndon postulates as being of lower density than that, say, average of the mantle and core below, thus he attributes the driving force to the Earth's expansion from 2/3 to the present radius or area (?) to the creation of lighter material within inner earth. ??The Earth's radius then, pre 4.5 billion years ago was somewhere that of Jupiter, began to contract when the Sun ignited, blowing away the Solar winds much of the Earth's proto gasses (hydrogen), it's radius and mass bounced, say around 2/3 the present size said to be some 200 million years ago, and is not expanding without the need of the convection upwellings and nuclear energies as the main driving force, but rather the gravitational collapse from the preproto-earth. ??So the present Solar Winds do not appear to play a role in the Earths Expansion, so Herndon"s enlightening essays and devotion to this subject does advance my understanding and so does the more current works on the Van Allen Belts. ??My take: construct a model that matches Earths many layered inner structures to Earth's outer Van Allen Belts, the multiple torii, their layers and physics. Although Herndon states in conclusion, less models, more data are needed, I believe the complexity now currently given by essays suggest both are needed. ??Best to complexity's enlightenment whatever it's source, rmuldavin}
tikay
1st July 2007 - 06:07 PM
QUOTE (rmuldavin+Jun 29 2007, 07:33 AM) tikay, reading your comments, taking a fall and surviving to write or speak about it insures that others will know that one can survive a fall. However without collective reporting of many falls and their measured survival rates for similar conditions, you could be misled.
The pull of gravity in free fall is suddenly stopped, that creates an impact, perhaps that green growth on the rocks allowed you to skid rather than an abrupt stop?
Maybe Zepher's foam can act to soften the landing of an airplane on a runway as well as putting out a potential fire? Is the foam a by-product of soy beans?
"New Old Woman" (NOW) is meant as a compliment. I read her writing as a bit of "putting Zepher on", that is, a gentle teasing.
Spelling? My great weakness, writing now on Apple TextEdit and use a "speller" but that doesn't include a grammar or correctly spelled words but not intended.
Zepher: Liked your St. Thomas Aquinas quote.
I post with NYT Human Origins and give latest on Earth's Van Allen Belts and Continental Drift(s) over time, pre-proto Earth, circa 4.5 billions years ago up to the present. Got to get it from my files:
<br> Yes ~You are right, there were plenty of falls I have taken, that weren't soft, many that hurt greatly. Once I was tossed by a wave while sitting beachside...a huge wave that wasn't expected, came up on the shore and picked me up and threw me forcefully into the a'a which is the very jagged and prickly form of lava, in the hawaiian isles...it was excruciatingly painful and I feared all my toes were broken at once...no one was nearby to help me, the freak wave was gone and I was really kicking myself (mentally) because I had not heeded the call (superstition there) and I had been sitting with my back to the horizen. I eventually was able to walk away...my toes were not broken but they were bloody...and hurt like hell for some days. There were many falls that hurt like all get out. That ride from Echo Park to Santa Monica was a bit ambitious, since I wasn't the athlete I used to be, I was tiring and losing my ability to function at my best. Another time I fell, because a gap in the roadway grabbed my tire and held it, and that time I broke my collerbone. That was a very hard fall and I cried like a little kid. But fall like this, well that IS what makes those soft falls so incredible. The a'a was potentially just as dangerous on the day I fell from a stonewall (picking coffee) and the very thin layer of plantlife should not have stopped me getting hurt. The pillowy softness was from some force of magnetism. This I knew...I just didn't know why some times I was saved from the pain I should have been caused with such a fall. I weighed 110-120 for most of my life and that twenty pounds on top of me (cherry in the basket) should have lent more weight on the a'a...and there was a high probability that I would be hurt by such a fall onto my back. Anyway...these falls are really not important I suppose. They are just someone experiencing the magnetic as safegaurding. I think it is pretty cool so I wanted to share it. I bet it happens to lots of people. I miss the islands!
Zephir
1st July 2007 - 08:00 PM
QUOTE (tikay+Jul 1 2007, 09:07 PM) ...a huge wave that wasn't expected, came up on the shore and picked me up and threw me forcefully into the a'a which is the very jagged and prickly form of lava... it was excruciatingly painful and I feared all my toes were broken at once... This is sad story, indeed. You're so.... sensitive. Nevertheless, the Aether Wave Theory can still explain this situation...
tikay
1st July 2007 - 08:15 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 1 2007, 01:00 PM) This is sad story, indeed. You're so.... sensitive. Nevertheless, the Aether Wave Theory can still explain this situation... <br>Thanks for cheering me up...  Those were the kinds of lights that were at first going off in my head! (your graphics) Zephir I love you absolutely! But I cant grasp your writings I tried before. There is too much that I know nothing about...Lorentz factor's and wave equations...with Neptune's symbols...sorry! Gee I really wish I had studied physics in school. I am so interested now! What a dork i was...everything was about art!  Everything was about getting a career. Now I am stuck here...an artistic potential paralegal, with no physics knowledge! It's crap! Thanks for leading me in tho~ as if i have a brain! So sweet...
amrit
3rd July 2007 - 09:08 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jun 28 2007, 05:05 PM) The Aether is the infinitely hot and dense environment by its definition. Of course, such environment exist in some abstract time and space, the only problem is, how to detect such time and space. In such environment most of the density fluctuations are compensating mutually at the very low distance. While both the time, both the space are inertial concepts, they're requiring the presence of some causality of Aether motion to manifest itself. We can imagine the Aether behavior on the example of the tiny waves at the water surface. The motion of such waves is nearly completely driven by the surface tension of water. The water behaves like thin elastic membrane here and the underwater motion doesn't affects the causal motion of these waves by (nearly) any causal way. Therefore, from the surface waves perspective we can say, the underwater simply "doesn't exist" at all. If it "doesn't exist", the discussion about time and space in connection with the underwater existence has no meaning anymore. Moreover, while the Aether concept blurs the curvature concept, we can say, the Aether is infinitely flat. So we cannot decide, what remains "inside" of Aether and what remains "outside" of it. The Aether can be observed from all the possible "sides" at the same time. Every object is formed by Aether and it exists outside of it at the same moment. The word "INTO" simply has no meaning in the AWT, until some curvature isn't defined. ......" Some have maintained that the local movement of an angel is instantaneous. They said that when an angel is moved from place to place, during the whole of the preceding time he is in the term "where from"; but in the last instant of such time he is in the term "whereto." Nor is there any need for a medium between the terms, just as there is no medium between time and the limit of time. But there is a mid-time between two "nows" of time: hence they say that a last "now" cannot be assigned in which it was in the term "where from," just as in illumination, and in the substantial generation of fire, there is no last instant to be assigned in which the air was dark, or in which the matter was under the privation of the form of fire: but a last time can be assigned, so that in the last instant of such time there is light in the air, or the form of fire in the matter. And so illumination and substantial generation are called instantaneous movements .".... [St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Part I, Question 53, 1265/7] The Aether is the infinitely hot and dense environment by its definition. Of course, such environment exist in some abstract time and space, the only problem is, how to detect such time and space. In such environment most of the density fluctuations are compensating mutually at the very low distance.zeph you have strange ideas how ather is hot if in the universal space is super cold ? such enviroment exist in some abstract time and spaceyou have no idea about time zeph i hope you understand that ether is space itself time is numerical order of events that run into ether
Zephir
3rd July 2007 - 10:59 AM
QUOTE (amrit+Jul 3 2007, 12:08 PM) ...how aether is hot if in the universal space is super cold ... Because we are hot as well, I mean just a slightly less cold, then the whole rest of Aether is. So we can detect just the subtle temperature difference. But the zero energy phenomena can serve as an indication for us, " the matter is just a thin layer of the slug on the mirror like surface of hot melted iron", metaphorically speaking. The fact, the space defined by such surface appears nearly flat and calm for us doesn't mean, we cannot live in the center of very hot and dense object. The Aether concept of AWT is just based on the extrapolation of such understanding. QUOTE (amrit+Jul 3 2007, 12:08 PM) ...you have no idea about time zeph... I've some ideas, unfortunately they're not very compatible with the ideas of your, this is whole the problem. Can you explain the double time concept of Dirac, Vafa, Bars, Sparling and many other scientists by using of your ideas? Can you explain the existence of antimatter and CP symmetry violation, the double event horizon of charged black holes or the vacuum birefringence by using of your concept of time?
amrit
4th July 2007 - 05:42 AM
hi zeph
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/9703060
this guys have no awareness about time their theory is a pure nonsense they are fixed with idea of MInkovski of "negative coordinate" of space-time that is a pure math model that has nothing to do with what we observe in nature this guys are "fu****ing up" physics into their total unawareness of the difference between the universe and models about the universe
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 07:43 AM
QUOTE (amrit+Jul 4 2007, 08:42 AM) this guys have no awareness about time The two time hypothesis was introduced by Dirac in connection to the matter-antimatter duality. Therefore it has robust logical reasoning even in AWT.
AlphaNumeric
4th July 2007 - 08:45 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 4 2007, 08:43 AM) The two time hypothesis was introduced by Dirac in connection to the matter-antimatter duality. No, the notion of "Antimatter = normal matter going backwards in time" doesn't mean there's two times, it just means you can travel in both directions of time. There's only one time coordinate in QFT. Once again, you fail to grasp, even conceptually, a mainstream result. QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 4 2007, 08:43 AM) Therefore it has robust logical reasoning even in AWT. |
Nonsense logic. You're claiming that because QFT explains it (which it doesn't) then so does AWT. That would need you to derive QFT within AWT. Which you never have.
So as well as demonstrating ignorance, you demonstrate your willingness to lie.
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 09:21 AM
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Jul 4 2007, 11:45 AM) ...you're claiming that because QFT explains it (which it doesn't) then so does AWT... LOL, I didn't mentioned some QFT theory at all...  The double time follows from the Aether foam concept (every foam membrane has two surface gradients, just very close one under normal conditions). In string theory (which is the QFT theory as well) the double time concept exists already for F-theory branch, but it's still completely ad-hoced. Ed Witten is even claiming, that the " the second time dimension is only a mathematical fiction used to simplify calculations".  This is doubly funny indeed, because just the Ed Witten himself was the promoter of (mem)brane concept in string theory (from which the double time follows immediately) and whole the brane concept was introduced into string theory ad-hoc just to simplify calculations. So it's evident, despite the progress in QFT formalism the understanding / physical interpretation of fundamental consequences is still completely missing between string theorists. Whole the progress in theoretical physics is just ad-hoced and guessed on the background of other theories.
amrit
4th July 2007 - 09:41 AM
antimatter and matter are existing into same space and made out of the same stuf that is space itself
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 09:50 AM
QUOTE (amrit+Jul 4 2007, 12:41 PM) ...antimatter and matter are existing into same space and made out of the same stuf that is space itself... The stuff with the opposite helicity, then the normal particles. The anti-particles are made from outer gradients of Aether foam membranes, while the normal particles are always a bit smaller, being attached to the internal side of aether foam bubbles. This makes them a bit more stable, then the particles of anti-matter.
Trippy
4th July 2007 - 10:55 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 2 2007, 08:00 AM) This is sad story, indeed. You're so.... sensitive. Nevertheless, the Aether Wave Theory can still explain this situation... I suppose I should point out that occurences such as 'Freak waves' have been explained by an adaptation of Schroedingers Wave Equation, that was published by Schroedinger himself. Basically with little or no alterations, Schroedingers wave equation was adapted by schroedinger to model macroscopic oceanic waves. These results were not widely known in mainstream physics, but were able to explain a mystery that had up until that point remained unexplained - that of Monster Waves.
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 11:24 AM
QUOTE (Trippy+Jul 4 2007, 01:55 PM) ...that occurrences such as 'Freak waves' have been explained by an adaptation of Schroedinger's Wave Equation, that was published by Schroedinger himself... I know about these derivations, but this case is probably NOT the consequence of quantum mechanics (i.e. the foamy character) of water, but a consequence of the avalanche-like character of propagation of waves, dragged by wind. Such waves are the more elevated, the higher they're, so they're behaving like the sail canvas, whenever they reach the sufficient elevation. Technically, this is aspect of qauntum mechanics, but just of water surface, not by underwater. Therefore the application of Schrodinger equation is rather example of homology, then the really physics based analogy at this case. The Schrodinger equation is based on elastic behavior of environment, but the compressibility of wave is rather low for such explanation of the "freak waves" phenomena.
Trippy
4th July 2007 - 11:33 AM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 4 2007, 11:24 PM) I know about these derivations, but at this case this is probably not the consequence of foamy character of water, but a consequence of the avalanche-like character of propagation of waves, dragged by wind. Such waves are the more elevated, the higher they're, so they're behaving like the sail canvas, whenever they reach the sufficient elevation.
Therefore the application of Schrodinger equation is rather example of homology, then the really physics based analogy at this case. The Schrodinger equation is based on elastic behavior of environment, but the compressibility of wave is rather low for such explanation of the "freak waves" phenomena. Actually.... No...
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 11:41 AM
QUOTE (Trippy+Jul 4 2007, 02:33 PM) Actually.... No... Actually, you even did not said something. It's not even clear, whether are you in agreement with me, or not...  Not saying about the reasons of such stance. The people with such vague locution and thinking cannot never become very successful in development / understanding of general theories, by the same way, like the very formal people, which are following every exact detail. The understanding of the Universe requires the art of compromise between the completely formal/mathematized approach and the intuitive/holistic/philosophical one. Simply because even the aether foam behaves so: it's formed by the mixture of causal regularities (i.e. the "surfaces") and the chaotic, noncausual bubble interior (the "volumes"). The optimal surface/volume ratio is the point of success in atemporal existence not just of mechanical energy spreading. As a general rule, you should combine as much real-life experience and qualitative understanding, as possible, because the revealing of most fundamental consequences (i.e. the phase transition in understanding) requires the analysis of the highest number of the another ones. By the same way, like the matter condenses only when the sufficient number of particles combines their interactions together. Such similarity is not accidental, because the physical theories are intensifying the energy spreading in the environment (causual phase space), which has created them by the same way, like every other inertial gradient of Aether.
rmuldavin
4th July 2007 - 12:20 PM
AMRIT, thanks for the link to the 1997 "Big Bang" essay. Physorg.com posted article "What Happened Before the Big Bang?" (Bojowald and others) ("The Big Bounce"): http://physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=102516861with a pending for-fee essay. However I liked the author's discussion of the mathematics and effort to remove singularities and infinities while still sustaining the uncertainties and eleminating repetitions in alternative universes. Did locate a recent essay by the author and others on related subject: "Formationn and Evolution of Structure in Loop Cosmology", arXiv:astro-ph/0611685 v1 21 Nov 2006 There have been other artices recently on dual times. Not being a fan of "infinity" of anything in general, connecting as parallel times, opposites, or condensed might be possible. Bojo et al clarifies the assertion of a finite universe and limitations on describing ones before
amrit
4th July 2007 - 02:01 PM
QUOTE (rmuldavin+Jul 4 2007, 12:20 PM) AMRIT, thanks for the link to the 1997 "Big Bang" essay. Physorg.com posted article "What Happened Before the Big Bang?" (Bojowald and others) ("The Big Bounce"): http://physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=102516861with a pending for-fee essay. However I liked the author's discussion of the mathematics and effort to remove singularities and infinities while still sustaining the uncertainties and eleminating repetitions in alternative universes. Did locate a recent essay by the author and others on related subject: "Formationn and Evolution of Structure in Loop Cosmology", arXiv:astro-ph/0611685 v1 21 Nov 2006 There have been other artices recently on dual times. Not being a fan of "infinity" of anything in general, connecting as parallel times, opposites, or condensed might be possible. Bojo et al clarifies the assertion of a finite universe and limitations on describing ones before even if Big bang would happen, nothing would happen "before" there is no time in the universe as "before" and "after" universe is a-temporal in this sense time is numerical order of events that run into NOW
amrit
4th July 2007 - 02:05 PM
QUOTE (Zephir+Jul 4 2007, 09:50 AM) The stuff with the opposite helicity, then the normal particles. The anti-particles are made from outer gradients of Aether foam membranes, while the normal particles are always a bit smaller, being attached to the internal side of aether foam bubbles. This makes them a bit more stable, then the particles of anti-matter. zeph you have good imagination you should write stories for kids in the eniverse eneregy is one every and each particle is a structured energy of space (ether) that is made out of quanta of space see also me tell stories....
Guest_george
4th July 2007 - 03:36 PM
for me the ether does really exist but in another way than we think normally : it is the ocean of neutrinos that flow all around in space, in enormous quantities and can go thru anything/matter. for me that is the " ocean " on which or in which all the rest is moving and acting, I would even say that light is interacting with those neutrinos in a way photons are particles that create a field for neutrinos to wave. What do you think ?
Zephir
4th July 2007 - 03:37 PM
QUOTE (amrit+Jul 4 2007, 05:05 PM) ... you have good imagination, you should write stories for kids... Maybe, nevertheless this is not argument for anything from the above... QUOTE (Guest_george+Jul 4 2007, 05:05 PM) ... it is the ocean of neutrinos that flow all around in space... The space cannot be formed by "ocean of neutrinos", simply because the neutrinos are countable particles, whose flux can be well compared with the theory (compare the background of the neutrino oscillations discovery). By AWT the space is formed by nested foam, where each level of this foam can undulate less or more independently. The neutrinos are wave packets formed by the bubbles inside the bubbles, which are forming vacuum in our Universe generation. Here exists even much more less particles, like the axions, which can undulate inside even more nested level of foam. The only particles, which can constitute our space-time by insintric way are gravitons, every other particle is formed by clusters of gravitons.
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