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rolandpond
Interesting report. Somebody have read Heim's book's? I think that should do a deep reading and a revision. Does exist an english edition of Heim's book's? If not this is a long and hard work.
djolds1
QUOTE (DEK46656 @ Jan 3 2009+ 04:47 PM )
I agree with the idea of a restricted Wiki: who gets to decide who is in and who is out?  If we go with this, though there are several people who do a lot of good work in this forum, I would nominate HDEASY as the keeper of authority.

Wikis tend to work VERY well, except in situations of political or personal animus. IIRC, Wikipedia is (or was) rated as more accurate than the Encyclopedia Britannica. As a webmaster to slap down any violations of civility, I agree that Hugh would be a good candidate for this if he feels he has the time. Technical disagreements if any can be discussed and argued out in good faith. Trolls should be bounced after the Boardmind tires of playing with its food.

QUOTE (DEK46656 @ Jan 3 2009+ 04:47 PM )
The outline / approach is intriguing, but do you write (produce) a wiki in the form of a course, or is it more of a text book / encyclopedia?  I had suggested an outline back in June 2007 in relation to the attacks against the Heim pages that were occurring at Wikipedia.

Nice set up for high level topics.

QUOTE (Aero @ Jan 3 2009+ 07:43 PM )
I have some experience in producing large documents and consider that we should break the subject into sub-topics that can stand more or less independently of each other. That was my thought when I set down my outline above which, I guess, proposed a set of text books. If we are not careful we will end up with a single document that is unwieldy in size.

Agreed.

QUOTE (Aero @ Jan 3 2009+ 07:43 PM )
Olaf, this Wiki was your idea. What do you want to accomplish?

1. Consolidate this forum information for use by the Heim Theory group?
2. Record Heim Theory in the form of a reference encyclopedia?
3. Provide pedagogical materials for self-education of trained physicists?
4. Provide pedagogical materials for student training in Heim Physics?
5. Something else?

I would propose all of the above, plus

1) working pages where members can record/work the maths and argue their work out with other members, and

2) summary pages and/or flowcharts for agreed on work. Or fold the agreed on work back into the pedagogical pages with links to the "scrap work" pages.

Duane
stawek
Hi all.
I've 'discovered' Heim recently. I'm not deep into maths so I'm not even trying to understand the equations behind it. But i do have some question regarding main principles.
The most important of them is about quantized space...
If we divide space into little areas - metrons (say cubes) and our particles move from one metron to another (or the particles ARE the space - it doesn't really matter for my question) then the question is: what is the distance between adjacent metrons.
For simplicity let's consider 2d plane. Take a stick 1m long and rotate it. When it's along X or Y axis it's 1m long, but across them it's sqrt(2) long (diagonal of square) - if it retains the same length measured in metrons.
If it doesn't (so the distance from one metron to another on it's diagonal is longer than to one on any axis) then our rotating stick changes it's length as measured in metrons. And you'd have some favorable directions of movement - it would be easier to move along some directions compared to others.
Answer could be: the stick is always the same length, cause the basic measure of length is a metron and it is still the same amount of metrons long, no matter which direction it's pointing.
The problem arises when you draw a circle. A set of points that are all the same distance from a central point (distance measured in metrons, no matter across or along any axis) is no longer a circle.. it's a square.
To summarise: how to divide space so that rotating stick stays the same length both in metrons and metres?
Aero
I think a metron is an area, not a length so comparing metrons to meters doesn't work. As I understand things, there is no possible area smaller than the metron. Its a quantum thing. There is no such thing as 1.44 metrons. I think that means a volume 10 metron walls would have some really unexpected diagonal. I hope someone versed in quantum physics will explain this to me.
bprager
QUOTE (djolds1+Jan 5 2009, 11:12 AM)
As a webmaster to slap down any violations of civility, I agree that Hugh would be a good candidate for this if he feels he has the time.

I second that.

How about the philosophical implications that Heim described: Entelechy and Aeon dimension, body-soul problem etc.? Should that be covered as well, or is that too spiritual?
DEK46656
QUOTE (stawek+Jan 5 2009, 05:27 PM)
Hi all.
I've 'discovered' Heim recently. I'm not deep into maths so I'm not even trying to understand the equations behind it. But i do have some question regarding main principles.
The most important of them is about quantized space...
If we divide space into little areas - metrons  (say cubes) and our particles move from one metron to another (or the particles ARE the space - it doesn't really matter for my question) then the question is: what is the distance between adjacent metrons.
For simplicity let's consider 2d plane. Take a stick 1m long and rotate it. When it's along X or Y axis it's 1m long, but across them it's sqrt(2) long (diagonal of square) - if it retains the same length measured in metrons.
If it doesn't (so the distance from one metron to another on it's diagonal is longer than to one on any axis) then our rotating stick changes it's length as measured in metrons. And you'd have some favorable directions of movement - it would be easier to move along some directions compared to others.
Answer could be: the stick is always the same length, cause the basic measure of length is a metron and it is still the same amount of metrons long, no matter which direction it's pointing.
The problem arises when you draw a circle. A set of points that are all the same distance from a central point (distance measured in metrons, no matter across or along any axis) is no longer a circle.. it's a square.
To summarise: how to divide space so that rotating stick stays the same length both in metrons and metres?

I would suggest going back to the Auerbach paper (The page 98 post I linked to the other day had its link). The link is dead now; does anyone have this paper / space to host this paper? Anyway, it provided a nice analogy on how the metrons might be viewed as "projections" into lower dimensions. Re-reading the sections in that post on the metron, matter, and protosimplex might provide some additional help as well.

I’m not sure I have an accurate perception / analogy of a metron in 8D EHT space, but I’ll give it a try. A metron is considered a 2 dimension entity (hence Plancks length squared) that is the intersection of the dimensions. As I understand it they would cross each other from multiply dimensions, so instead of the typical geometric construct (you indicated a cube, but it would be more sides since a cube is only 3D), I would think it would be more like the surfaces passing through each other. Think of pieces of paper that pass through each other at a central point. The Auerbach paper comments on there being folds in the surface area of the metron, and that the “projections” of these folds down to a lower dimension is what we (eventually) measure as matter (and energy). That is where the idea of the protosimplex comes into being, but trying to explain that is a bit beyond me.

QUOTE (bprager+Jan 5 2009, 09:14 PM)
How about the philosophical implications that Heim described: Entelechy and Aeon dimension, body-soul problem etc.? Should that be covered as well, or is that too spiritual?

Hmmmm, touchy subject to some people. Personally I think it should be included. There are a couple of reasons; BH had concluded (actually provides a proof somewhere I think) that there are 12 dimensions, and we only talk about 8. For a thorough explanation of the theory, all 12 have to be noted and speculated on.

Another reason has to do with the interpretation of the man himself. I could easily perceive this individual "sitting there" after his life was effectively ruined by the explosion going "why did this happen?" and making it his lifes work to figure that out. His motivation may have made it possible to leap from some abstract form of mathematics to the insight that there really is "something to all of this" higher than we could possibly understand.

I personally find the idea of the G4 reference to be intriguing; that there is "something" that sits outside of probability that can influence or over-ride it. I have absolutely no idea how it could be proven, experimented with, or otherwise tested within the confines of the scientific method. That doesn't mean it isn't a part of the theory, or that it couldn't be worked out in the future.

For these reasons, I would vote to include references to them, and leave them open to any respectful, intelligent, and insightful debate produced by an examination of EHT.
stawek
www.docstoc.com/docs/2217149/Heim%EF%BF%BDs-Theory-of-Elementary-Particle-Structures (i'm not allowed to post links) This could be the mentioned text.
Quotation from it:
Empty space has been shown to consists of an invisible lattice of metronic cells. One can visualize them as little(6-dimensional) volumes, whose walls are metrons, touching each other and filling all of space.
I understand, that in more dimensions we won't have our usual cubes. Still the problem persists (mostly if we assume only 3 of those dimensions are space dimensions).
On a 2d divided ('tiled') plane the distance from one area to another changes if we change direction of movement. For square tiles it increases by sqrt(2)(diagonal of square). In 3d it increases by sqrt(3) (diagonal of cube). The problem does not seem to disappear by adding extra dimensions.
I don't have problem understanding nor visualising extra dimensions. Still, I'm looking for a way to provide infinite number of directions (so that no direction is favorable) in finite number of areas.
hdeasy
QUOTE (bprager+Jan 6 2009, 01:14 AM)
I second that.

How about the philosophical implications that Heim described: Entelechy and Aeon dimension, body-soul problem etc.? Should that be covered as well, or is that too spiritual?
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I might be pressed for time though, so there should be at least one other person to do the job.
Olaf
Wiki
QUOTE (Aero+Jan 3 2009, 07:43 PM)
Olaf, this Wiki was your idea. What do you want to accomplish?

1. Consolidate this forum information for use by the Heim Theory group?
2. Record Heim Theory in the form of a reference encyclopedia?
3. Provide pedagogical materials for self-education of trained physicists?
4. Provide pedagogical materials for student training in Heim Physics?

None of the above. All we need is creating a tool that is gathering the bits of developing knowledge mainly about the mass formula that scatters through this forum.
Main goal is to collect hints and pieces to
a) optimize input values and understanding of Heim Mass formula.
b) provide the correct equations as written by B. Heim.
c) Discussion about optimization and corrections of the elements of the Heim Mass equations and their theoretical background. (This includes the Heim Gravitation law and 6-dimensional geometrodynamics).
(d) a collection of empirical data that may support Heim Theory
(e) work in progress: explanations of terms and deeper details of Heim Theory.

This goals can be achieved with a restricted wiki. Of course I would be very happy if the Heim Theory Group joines.

My opinion is at this point we don't need to create tools of educating Heim Theory. This can be a future task with another wiki which can be open at that time.
At the moment there are some weak points in the available sources about Heim Theory (for instance the derivation of the propagation speed of gravitation).
I won't suggest publishing teaching materials about Heim Theory before someone is repairing their flaws or incompletely published derivations.
(But of course such educating materials can develop over longer periods of time inside the closed wiki.)

Speculations about EHT also should be prevented. Mr. Droescher and Mr. Hauser should have the right to publish an authorized version of their 8-dimensional theory by their own.

***

Back to my first poll please vote for one of the suggested wikis. I would prefer 3) or 6). But my English is not good enough to judge which terms of use are better. The wiki should have restricted access.

QUOTE (Olaf+Jan 1 2009, 05:36 PM)
3)+ www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia - basing on MediaWiki, founded by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales

6)++ pbwiki.com
Personal version looks interesting. The pbwiki system has a very good reputation.
Cons: not so much space.

Also see "Which Wiki is Right for You?" by Shonda Brisco (2007).
Aero
Olaf, its your money, but this (the pricing page of PBwiki) seems very costly to me. For example, 10 users for one year costs $960. Note that this project is open ended in both time and users, and readers cost extra, so it could get really expensive.

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Do we have someone on this thread who could set up mediawiki for us? And perhaps maintain it? That software is free to download at mediawiki.org, it supports wikipedia so it has all the features we could hope for. Of course, hosting the software will cost money, probably about $25 a month but maybe less than $10 / month for a web host. But it takes some webmaster skills to install and set up. (I tried it last year and actually, it is easy to install, but how to do the initial set up is not so obvious.)
bprager
QUOTE (Aero+Jan 6 2009, 07:19 PM)
Olaf, its your money, but this (the pricing page of PBwiki) seems very costly to me. For example, 10 users for one year costs $960. Note that this project is open ended in both time and users, and readers cost extra, so it could get really expensive.


Do we have someone on this thread who could set up mediawiki for us? And perhaps maintain it? That software is free to download at mediawiki.org, it supports wikipedia so it has all the features we could hope for. Of course, hosting the software will cost money, probably about $25 a month but maybe less than $10 / month for a web host. But it takes some webmaster skills to install and set up. (I tried it last year and actually, it is easy to install, but how to do the initial set up is not so obvious.)

I have a public available tikiwiki (http://heim.prager.ws) set up and I could put some effort in to maintain it. But bare with me. I do have a day job! And I haven't read the documentation yet either.
djolds1
QUOTE (stawek+Jan 5 2009, 09:27 PM)
Hi all.
I've 'discovered' Heim recently. I'm not deep into maths so I'm not even trying to understand the equations behind it. But i do have some question regarding main principles.
The most important of them is about quantized space...
If we divide space into little areas - metrons  (say cubes) and our particles move from one metron to another (or the particles ARE the space - it doesn't really matter for my question) then the question is: what is the distance between adjacent metrons.
For simplicity let's consider 2d plane. Take a stick 1m long and rotate it. When it's along X or Y axis it's 1m long, but across them it's sqrt(2) long (diagonal of square) - if it retains the same length measured in metrons.
If it doesn't (so the distance from one metron to another on it's diagonal is longer than to one on any axis) then our rotating stick changes it's length as measured in metrons. And you'd have some favorable directions of movement - it would be easier to move along some directions compared to others.
Answer could be: the stick is always the same length, cause the basic measure of length is a metron and it is still the same amount of metrons long, no matter which direction it's pointing.
The problem arises when you draw a circle. A set of points that are all the same distance from a central point (distance measured in metrons, no matter across or along any axis) is no longer a circle.. it's a square.
To summarise: how to divide space so that rotating stick stays the same length both in metrons and metres?

Metrons are surfaces of ~1 planck length squared. They are not volumes. There is essentially no distinction between "matter" and "space." "Space" is a network of metrons, and "Matter" is merely a complex assembly of said metrons in the background lattice of space. Heim called these assemblies "condensations." IIRC a proton is composed of 1E40 metron surfaces.

There is no distance between adjacent metrons; space is quantized and all metrons are in "contact" with one another. Heim Theory is a variant of Loop Quantum Gravity, and Scientific American has had some decent articles on LQG, with illustrations to convey the basic concept. On a related note, time in Heim (EHT) is described in units of length, allowing 4 dimensional space to be reduced to a 2 or 1D value.

I'm not sure that the "distances" defining the area of a quantum surface allow direct comparison to "normal" measures of length. Above my pay grade.

QUOTE (DEK46656+Jan 6 2009, 03:49 AM)
I would suggest going back to the Auerbach paper (The page 98 post I linked to the other day had its link). The link is dead now; does anyone have this paper / space to host this paper? Anyway, it provided a nice analogy on how the metrons might be viewed as "projections" into lower dimensions. Re-reading the sections in that post on the metron, matter, and protosimplex might provide some additional help as well.

The Internet Archive is your friend:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.am...AuerbachJSE.pdf
djolds1
QUOTE (bprager+Jan 6 2009, 01:14 AM)
How about the philosophical implications that Heim described: Entelechy and Aeon dimension, body-soul problem etc.? Should that be covered as well, or is that too spiritual?
I would prefer to not include the philosophical and metaphysical implications of HQT/EHT. FTL is enough of a far out claim. Lets establish or solidly disprove EHT before moving onto the spiritualisms.
djolds1
QUOTE (hdeasy+Jan 6 2009, 03:46 PM)
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I might be pressed for time though, so there should be at least one other person to do the job.

You or Olaf as owner. Add mods at discretion, I would suggest at least one mod (besides the owner) be appointed by the owner within 0.00000005 seconds of founding the wiki. Add mods from there (if any) based on perceived need. Given a well behaved Gentleman's Debating Society attitude, the boardmind will probably resolve 99% of problems before the mods ever notice.

QUOTE (Olaf+ Jan 6 2009, 06:02 PM)
None of the above. All we need is creating a tool that is gathering the bits of developing knowledge mainly about the mass formula that scatters through this forum.
Main goal is to collect hints and pieces to
a) optimize input values and understanding of Heim Mass formula.
cool.gif provide the correct equations as written by B. Heim.
c) Discussion about optimization and corrections of the elements of the Heim Mass equations and their theoretical background. (This includes the Heim Gravitation law and 6-dimensional geometrodynamics).
(d) a collection of empirical data that may support Heim Theory
(e) work in progress: explanations of terms and deeper details of Heim Theory.

This goals can be achieved with a restricted wiki. Of course I would be very happy if the Heim Theory Group joins.

My opinion is at this point we don't need to create tools of educating Heim Theory. This can be a future task with another wiki which can be open at that time.
At the moment there are some weak points in the available sources about Heim Theory (for instance the derivation of the propagation speed of gravitation).
I won't suggest publishing teaching materials about Heim Theory before someone is repairing their flaws or incompletely published derivations.

Speculations about EHT also should be prevented. Mr. Droescher and Mr. Hauser should have the right to publish an authorized version of their 8-dimensional theory by their own.

OK, very clean concept.

I'm not sure parallel derivations of D/H's work count as speculations, but starting out with the basic aspects of the 6D variant and working forward from there makes sense.

Duane
Olaf
Wiki
QUOTE (Aero+Jan 6 2009, 07:19 PM)
Olaf, its your money, but this (the pricing page of PBwiki) seems very costly to me.

I'm not able to spend any money. We need a free version. PBwiki also has a free version with restricted space. The Wikia wiki also is free and it's basing on the same wiki machine like wikipedia.

QUOTE (bprager+Jan 6 2009, 10:09 PM)
I have a public available tikiwiki (http://heim.prager.ws) set up and I could put some effort in to maintain it.

Thank you very much. This may help.
Can this wiki be managed with restrictions for access and editing?
Is upload of files allowed?

Of course later we can export the HT wiki to another location when needed. But changing the wiki machine later can demand large changes in the content source text.
bprager
QUOTE (Olaf+Jan 7 2009, 08:48 AM)

Can this wiki be managed with restrictions for access and editing?
Is upload of files allowed?
Yes, and yes.
gdaigle
FYI, a new paper is up by Clovis de Matos suggesting that the quantization of spacetime in superconducting circular rings occurs at the Planck-Einstein scale instead of the Planck scale, and an experimental concept is proposed to test loop quantum gravity and electromagnetic dark energy in superconductors.

Testing Loop Quantum Gravity and Electromagnetic Dark Energy in Superconductors
Tim
Thanks for the link! de Matos doesn't reference Heim Theory in the paper but at least he doesn't rule it out. It seems (if I'm reading things correctly) that he's still looking for an explanation in the Super Conducting Nb ring while Tajmar has gone off hunting rotating low temperature helium.

In the paper he states that, "in a SC that is thick compared with the London penetration depth, the circular path can be chosen in the SC's bulk where there is no current flowing, thus leading to a null current integral." If I recall, the Canterbury team used a Pb cylinder instead of a Nb disc. I don't know what the ratio of the London penetration depth to the thickness of the cylinder used by the Canterbury team was, but I would guess that was enough to lead to the the "null current integral" mentioned by de Matos.

I'm kind of surprised the Canterbury team got even the noisy signal that they did.
bprager
QUOTE (Olaf+Jan 7 2009, 08:48 AM)
Wiki

Thank you very much. This may help.
Can this wiki be managed with restrictions for access and editing?
Is upload of files allowed?

Of course later we can export the HT wiki to another location when needed. But changing the wiki machine later can demand large changes in the content source text.

To make it look less awkward I migrated the wiki to a new domain:

heim-theory.org

It is a TikiWiki.

I also configured 3 types of users for now:
  • Admins
  • Editors
  • Registered

Editors can freely edit all items, Registered can leave comments.
Anonymous access is of course possible but can't do anything except reading.

Olaf already jumped on the train, everybody else is welcome to.
You can register on your own, but to avoid spam an Admin needs to approve.

It is a with a bunch of options, not all are switched on yet (e.g. Blogs, Forums, Calendars and Events, Surveys, Quizes and Polls, Workflow Engine).

I am open for more suggestions.

DEK46656
QUOTE (bprager+Jan 7 2009, 03:43 PM)
To make it look less awkward I migrated the wiki to a new domain:

heim-theory.org

It is a...

Thank you for taking this on (domain name, hosting, etc). I really think setting up a wiki was a really good idea; I just submitted my registration request.

I found something rather curious today; my wife (out of complete boredom) did a search on Heim. You have to understand that her eyes sort of glaze over when I have attempted to talk about Heim, so I about fell out of my work chair when I read her email. Anyway, besides the Wikipedia posts, she came across Heim Theory at an authors web site. I’m not familiar with any of his works (Geoffrey Landis), but he had some quotes from jreed in the writeup: it was from the time when John thought that the particle mass formulas were broken due to the “matrix A” information that he had found. The whole thing was a bit like an magazine article that didn’t quite put EHT down, but it wasn’t IMHO as open minded as it could have been.

Anyway, I just thought I would share…
djolds1
Popular article, related to quintessence?

http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/01/repulsive...ce-casimir.html

Repulsive Casimir Force: Casimir-Lifshitz force experimentally verified

A repulsive quantum force, opposite of casimir force, has been verified and measured. This is the cover story, [Measured long-range repulsive Casimir-Lifshitz forces], of the Jan 8, 2009 Nature journal and is from Harvard researchers: J. N. Munday, Federico Capasso & V. Adrian Parsegian.
hdeasy
@Greg:
Thanks for the link - it seems De Matos is continuing with his dark energy model for the Tajmar effect. The EHT model, however, says that although the neutral gravito-photon decays to a quintessence particle and a graviton in Tajmar's experiment, only the graviton is responsible for the force, as the quintessence or dark energy particle interacts only very weakly with matter.

For the modified experiment of EHT, where a vertical force is produced, the neutral gravito-photon decays to a positive and negative gravito-photon.

Interesting also to note that De Matos is proposing a test of LQG: if so, this would be the first real experimental test of LQG (okay, there is a proposal to test very slighly different velocities of light depending on colour or frequency - but that is very difficult to perform with current technology).

@Olaf, Bernd:
Thanks for the effort of setting up the wiki - it's beginning to look okay - though a lot of work is still needed on it.
Teraslilja
Interesting relation to Heim's theory?

Our world may be a giant hologram

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If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: "If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."

That is, not until Hogan realised that the holographic principle changes everything. If space-time is a grainy hologram, then you can think of the universe as a sphere whose outer surface is papered in Planck length-sized squares, each containing one bit of information. The holographic principle says that the amount of information papering the outside must match the number of bits contained inside the volume of the universe.

This is good news for anyone trying to probe the smallest unit of space-time. "Contrary to all expectations, it brings its microscopic quantum structure within reach of current experiments," says Hogan. So while the Planck length is too small for experiments to detect, the holographic "projection" of that graininess could be much, much larger, at around 10^-16 metres. "If you lived inside a hologram, you could tell by measuring the blurring," he says.
Jossarian
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Chu, who is director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and his colleagues have built an atom interferometer with a sensitivity that is dramatically higher than previous models. To prove its worth, they’ve measured the fine structure constant to an accuracy of 3.4 parts per billion, which is within an order of magnitude of the best measurements.
But the real benefit of the new device is that, among other things, it will allow a new generation of tests of the equivalence principle. That is, it will test whether  the m in F=ma and the m’s in F = Gm1.m2/r^2 refer to the same thing.
In physics-speak, the question is whether gravitational and inertial mass are the same. It’s something we always assume but have never proven and there are a number of ongoing programs to study the question.
Here is article and Arxiv paper.

It seems like good news for Tajmar team.

/Joss
hdeasy
QUOTE (Teraslilja+Jan 16 2009, 09:06 PM)
Interesting relation to Heim's theory?

Our world may be a giant hologram


Yes, I just finished reading ' 3 roads to quantum gravity' where he talks of the holographic idea, Suskind, T'Hooft etc. - but in discussing how Beckenstein first applied it to a black hole which then generalized to any area of space, he showed how this very relational way of looking at things is consistent with loop quantum gravity (and Heim theory). This limit of space time is more evidence for LQG or Heim than String theory anyway, as they both have a quantum of area and volume: the quantum of area is confirmed by the holographic idea on a black hole, as it says entropy or information is conserved, so all the stuff disappearing down the hole is written on the Schwarzschild surface of the hole, in surface elements 1 Planck h squared in size - that's the size of a 'pixel' - also the size Heim already mooted in the 1950s.

So this experiment may, in other words, be the first evidence for metrons.
makuabob
It seems one consequence of the wiki for Heim Theory is to put a cork in ALL discussion here. Intended or not, one of the primary public forums has been stifled.

Is there an equivalent 'open' discussion on the heim-theory.org site? I don't see one. Have those working with this subject been driven underground?

Why HAS discussion here ceased?
Aero
I don't know, but I do know that there has been very little discussion on the Wiki, as well.
I speculate that the lack, on the Wiki, is a result of the lack, here. And I further speculate that the lack here is a result of a lack of new information. This has happened before as you can see by checking the dates on the back thread (if you want to).
It has been a long time since we've heard anything new from Tajmar, or from Droscher and/or Hauser, those people being the ones who generate new information for us to discuss. Once someone publishes a new paper, interest and discussion on this thread will surge. Until then ...
And you guys (and gals?) working on the Wiki, you could post something on the progress or lack of same. That would be interesting.
Aero
As for me, I posted this on the Wiki forum, but have not received any response.



What assumptions should one make in choosing the correct input data for the mass equations? It seems simple enough, just choose a consistent set of values. But the details are not so obvious to me so I'm asking for expert advice. Please correct my assumptions where they are erroneous, and validate them where they are correct, so that I may proceed in completing the inputs page.

Assumptions:
1. We should attempt to calculate the value of particle mass given by CODATA 2006. I mean to say that we should strive to match the empirical values of particle mass given in CODATA 2006 by calculating them precisely.
2. The fundamental universal physical constant values given by CODATA 2006 were not available to the experimenters who estimated the particle masses given in CODATA 2006.
3. We should use CODATA 2002 as the source of values for said fundamental universal physical constants.
4. Comprehensive understanding of the details of the data reduction applied in order to develop the empirical values obtained by CODATA is beyond the ken of all but the most dedicated physicist. See A. below.

Those are my assumptions. Here are some references for your pleasure.

A. CODATA Recommended Values of the Fundamental Physical Constants: 2006
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/codata.pdf (external link)
B. CODATA 2006 (Short Form) http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/index.html (external link)
And the values recommended in 2002, presented in tabular form:
C. CODATA Recommended Values of the Fundamental Physical Constants: 2002
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/chart1.pdf (external link)


Further, I posted this, again no response but it hasn't been very long.



While not strictly input values, I have noticed that computational effects invalidate the speed of light in the following circumstance.

c, The speed of light in vacuum is defined to equal 299 792 458 m s-1, exactly,
Epsilon0, the electric constant is defined to equal 8.854 187 817... x 10-12 F m-1, exactly,
Mu0, the magnetic constant is defined to equal 12.566 370 614... x 10-7 N A-2, exactly.
And we have c^2 * Epsilon0 * Mu0 = 1 . We also find R_ in the mass formula, given as R_ = c * Mu0 . But numerically, if we solve the first equation for c, (in Excel), I get c = 2.9979245801478700E+08 which differs from the defined value by diff = -1.4787197113037100E-02 . That is, it differs from the defined value of c in the 10-th decimal place. Evidently this is a computational truncation and round off problem, but the mass formula is very sensitive to small errors so I view this as a problem. Programmers be advised. And experts, tell us how to deal with this. Should we define a value for R_, or just rely on extended precision throughout?
Aero
My mistake. Mu0 is defined as 4*pi * 10^-7, exactly. The number given is an 11 digit approximation. So using the definition with extended precision should be adequate but the 11 digit approximation, probably not.
Aero
Are these equations correct?

While working to identify the correct input values to use in the Heim mass formula, I find the following equations on Wikipedia.

1. c^2 x Mu0 x Epsilon0 = 1.
2. Mu0 = 4 x pi x 10^-7
3. Epsilon0 = 1./(36 x pi x 10^9)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_impedance

These equations are not consistent with the currently defined value of the speed of light, giving c=3 x10^8 exactly. Note that the value of pi cancels when equation 2 and 3 are substituted into 1. Do these equations say that the speed of light in free space is based purely on geometry, or are one or more of equations 1, 2 or 3 incorrect? Or, is the length of the meter incorrect as the value of c defines the length of the meter.

Or am I simply misinterpreting Wikipedia?
pbelter
Steron is back alive. I thought it was a hoax that just simply went away.
Hmm, they have a new video on their web site, that claims that the technology is mature and they are releasing it. Interesting. Lets wait and see.
hdeasy
Yes - Steorn is indeed back with a vengeance: not only the video, but some other cool stuff on the site, showing how they will release the tech first via 300 engineers who sign up for the inner forum (learning modules, Orbo blueprints etc.).

EHT is starting to have a possible link to this, in that Droscher has found a way to get free energy (OM reacting with NOM).
nicholasjh1
QUOTE (hdeasy+Feb 6 2009, 09:08 AM)
EHT is starting to have a possible link to this, in that Droscher has found a way to get free energy (OM reacting with NOM).
Could you give more details?
Jossarian
QUOTE (nicholasjh1+Feb 6 2009, 04:56 PM)
Could you give more details?

From http://www.hpcc-space.de/ :
QUOTE

December 2008
Extended Heim Theory in the Press


In the article on Advances in Breakthrough Propulsion Physics, published by the Nuclear and Future Flight Committee of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics in Aerospace America, December 2008, p. 59, the recent work on Extended Heim Theory (EHT) of W. Dröscher and J. Hauser is briefly described. The picture on p. 59 shows the postulated six fundamental forces. Three of these forces are of gravitational nature and may be both attractive and repulsive. The postulated interaction between electromagnetism and gravitation might be responsible for the strong gravitomagnetic fields as well as gravity-like (acceleration) fields observed at ARC Seibersdorf by Tajmar et al. According to EHT, a vertical gravity-like field (that is acting along the axis of the cryogenic rotating ring or disk) might be producible. If such a field existed, it could be directly usable as a propellantless space propulsion device, but also might be applicable in energy generation, and could aid in the stabilization of fusion plasmas (e.g., magnetic mirror).

/Joss
Cusa
More like Heim's total fudge theory.

Mitch Raemsch
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 3 2009, 05:45 PM)
Are these equations correct?

While working to identify the correct input values to use in the Heim mass formula, I find the following equations on Wikipedia.

1. c^2 x Mu0 x Epsilon0 = 1.
2. Mu0 = 4 x pi x 10^-7
3. Epsilon0 = 1./(36 x pi x 10^9)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_impedance

These equations are not consistent with the currently defined value of the speed of light, giving c=3 x10^8 exactly.

. Do these equations say that the speed of light in free space is based purely on geometry, or are one or more of equations 1, 2 or 3 incorrect? Or, is the length of the meter incorrect as the value of c defines the length of the meter.

Or am I simply misinterpreting Wikipedia?

Of course, they are correct...Aero,...depending on how accurate you want to be.

1. The first equation is the exact relation derived from Maxwell's electrodynamic equations...and was the one that first allowed Maxwell to determine that light was an electromagnetic wave and also allowed him to calculate its speed strictly from electrodynamic properties of the vacuum, namely, the vacuum permeability, u(o), and its permittivity, e(o). ...[mu and epsilon, respectively]

IOW, ....c = Sq. Rt. [1 / u(o) x e(o)]

2. ... u(o) is defined to be 4(pi)10^-7

3. Although I've never seen vacuum permittivity given by this formula, it is close enough for engineers, which is exactly what we have in this wikipedia article....its really a close estimate.

...in physics we use the more exact permittivity constant as e(o) ≈ 8.854 187 817… × 10^−12
Permittivity can be derived empirically from coulomb's law of the force between two electrons...since k =1/4(pi)e(o)

Of course any variation in permittivity will show up as a change in the accepted speed of light value....due to the relation in #1.


.< " Do these equations say that the speed of light in free space is based purely on geometry, or are one or more of equations 1, 2 or 3 incorrect? Or, is the length of the meter incorrect as the value of c defines the length of the meter
.">

The speed c is also determined by the unit of time which we have defined as so many oscillations of the cesium 133 atom (and rubidium) and the length of meter is standardized and we can also measure the speed of light experimentally . There is somewhat circular logic in a way ....so that is why we have the NIST accepted (published) values.

Now ...concerning geometry, the derivation and accuracy of these equations above have nothing to do with geometry per se....they would be much more related to quantum electrodynamics since they are more directly dependent upon the properties of the quantum vacuum..

In that regard then, ..... In QED, polarization of the vacuum is well known effect which occurs around high Z values due to the high electric field polarizing the vacuum...this means the "effect" of the charge on the particle is changed but only very close to the charge (IOW, Permittivity changes) ...from which we get the terms 'bare' charge .

In terms of Gen Rel. it has been shown that the vacuum can be equally modeled as a polarizable 'dielectric' medium, reproducing all the Gen Relativistic (space time curvature ) effects.


JW wink.gif
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Cusa+Feb 8 2009, 10:21 PM)
More like Heim's total fudge theory.

Mitch Raemsch

I agree...and my previous post ought not be taken as any endorsement of Heim - Droescher speculative theory...which I consider imaginary nonsense.. rolleyes.gif

...

JW biggrin.gif
Aero
QUOTE
Of course, they are correct...Aero,...depending on how accurate you want to be.
<br>Thank you JW. I really appreciate your very helpful reply.
Astepintime
I just did a google scholar search for any new Tajmar's papers. I found the following:

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0957-0233/20...t9_2_027002.pdf

A summary of recent tests of the SRS-1000 fiber-optic gyroscope; any others I missed?

It has been over 6 months now since their arXiv:0806.2271,2008 paper any word on the peer-review publication status?


gravitophoton
by the way tajmar; he ll chair at this year first

Space, Propulsion and Energy Sciences International Forum!
http://www.ias-spes.org/SPESIF.html

http://www.ias-spes.org/AGENDA/DOCs/SPESIF...enda_012209.pdf

regards
gdaigle
Here is one of the SPESIF presentation titles within a plenary session Tajmar is chairing:

Tajmar Effect Explanation through the GEM Theory (040)
John Brandenburg, Orbital Technologies Corporation, Madison, WI
nicholasjh1
The other is this: The GEM Theory of the Unification of Gravity and Electromagnetism and Its Application to
Space Travel (008)
Astepintime
QUOTE (gdaigle+Feb 10 2009, 01:36 PM)
Here is one of the SPESIF presentation titles within a plenary session Tajmar is chairing:

Tajmar Effect Explanation through the GEM Theory (040)
John Brandenburg, Orbital Technologies Corporation, Madison, WI


Well, this SPESIF looks fun to attend, lots of speculative talks. I would love to attend.
But I must say, what is Tajmar doing there? One would think that every spare moment he has would be spent working on a peer-reviewed paper for Phys Rev Letters?

Aero
Is there anything free online about GEM Theory? All I have found, mostly, are abstracts to papers for sale, and I don't need the info badly enough to pay for it.
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 9 2009, 02:31 AM)

Thank you JW. I really appreciate your very helpful reply.

You're welcome; Aero; I replied to your post becasue you seem to have a real zeal and aptitude for investigating the fundamental physics rather than simply blindly following the crowd.....a trait not too often found on this forum,.

Apparently that is also the case with your interest in GEM...

<"Is there anything free online about GEM Theory? ">

Not knowing your level of math/Physics background or what type of info you are wanting...it may be hard to direct you to the right discussion.

For starters recognize that....
GEM equations are the gravitational analogs of the Maxwell's eqns. for electrodynamics.... and are an approximation in the gravitational weak field/ low velocity limit....usually used to avoid full blown Gen Relativity....I guess you recognize that.

Here's a decent blurb on the basic GEM eqns. by Wikipedia...given in differential form.
After the intro...the first 4 eqns. are the GEM eqns.
The next one is the Gravitational Lorentz force eqn. analogous to the EM Lorentz force eqn.
And the next set of 4 eqns. are the Maxwell equations for comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

I like to use the LAST (3rd) set of 4 equations (in the box) since it uses units that eliminates the various constants and makes the two sets of equations almost exactly analogous.....IOW, with the same eqn. E and B can be used to mean Electric & magnetic field respectively OR it can be used to mean Gravitoelectric & gravitomagnetic fields, respectively. It simplifies things greatly.

Don't be intimidated by it..... I wouldn't expect most folks here to have much of a formal understanding about this...and I'm sure you will have plenty of questions....
So don't be hesitant to ask me on the details.

.
JW biggrin.gif
gdaigle
Explaining Tajmar's theory through an alternative model with Tajmar himself chairing the session would be no small amount of pressure on the presenter. Dr. Brandenburg has a background in air plasma physics and controlled fusion. I asked for an abstract on his presentation... no reply yet. Perhaps if asked by a bona fide physicist...?
Aero
GW - I sent you a PM in answer to some of your concerns. I found some papers under Gravitomagnetism. It helps a lot to have the right search term.
Just Wonderful
Aero;
thanks for the kind PM.

I think it should be said....gravitomagnetism is not some novel idea presented recently. It has been used since the 1960's in standard relativistic physics and reflects the fundamentals of Gen Relativity in Maxwellian form.

Many (thousands) of pier reviewed reports investigating gravitational / inertial physics use the GEM formalism regularly especially in the weak field limit where the complications of full Gen. Relativity can be avoided....and where an approximation is appropriate.

JW

"The Works of the Lord are great, studied by all who have pleasure therein". - Inscribed in the Archway of the Door to James Clerk Maxwell's Cavendish Laboratory - Cambridge
Geoff Mollusc
QUOTE (Cusa+Feb 14 2009, 04:21 AM)
Charge particles fall not only in gravity but in the Earth's magnetosphere.

<br>Mitch Raemsch * Magnetic Fail


QUOTE
Uncle Al:
"Hey stooopid Raemish!  Have you won a game of Minesweeper yet at any elapsed time?  No?  Poor stooopid baby.  IQ tests
discriminate against the stooopid.  You are a VICTIM!"
<br> laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Cusa+Feb 14 2009, 04:21 AM)
Charge particles fall not only in gravity but in the Earth's magnetosphere.

Mitch Raemsch * Magnetic Fall

Er...OK; I think maybe we sholud start with some simple definitions...

Simplistically one can understand Gravitomagnetism by analogy to electromagnetism. In EM, .... MOVING charge (current) creates a magnetic field. (We call it Ampere's law) . Likewise in GEM, moving matter (mass current) produces a gravito-magnetic field, albeit a very miniscule field....that is the basis of the 4th equation in the GEM list I referred to earlier. (So sometimes matter is referred to as "gravitational charge").

The mass current, J, does not have to be rotating as most people (including Wikipedia) seem to think. (If it is rotating, the field is usually called the Lense-Thirring Field or 'frame dragging').
According to Gen. Rel. ANY matter in motion (even linearly) produces a gravitomagnetic field, B(g) ...but under normal circumstances it is so extremely tiny that most calculations simply ignore it since for the most part it is undetectable.
[For those who care we are talking the 4th GEM eqn.---> curl B(g) = -4(pi)J + dE/dt.] (Don't worry about the dE/dt at this point).

Questions?

JW

"The Works of the Lord are great, studied by all who have pleasure therein". - Inscribed in the Archway of the Door to James Clerk Maxwell's Cavendish Laboratory - Cambridge
Aero
OK. So if I have a Farnsworth fusor, or Polywell fusor with a core potential of 100 kV, and I drop a proton into it from just inside the machine (let the radius of the machine be 2 meters), will the proton oscillate back and forth or will the gravito-magnetic field deflect the proton into an orbit about the core after say, 100,000 trips through the center? Or will the proton deflection be on the order of Barns after that many passes? Or will the proton deflection be on the order of zero after 100,000 passes?

Just trying to get a fix on the scale of the gravito-magnetic field effect.
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 16 2009, 10:46 PM)
OK. So if I have a Farnsworth fusor, or Polywell fusor with a core potential of 100 kV, and I drop a proton into it from just inside the machine (let the radius of the machine be 2 meters), will the proton oscillate back and forth or will the gravito-magnetic field deflect the proton into an orbit about the core after say, 100,000 trips through the center? Or will the proton deflection be on the order of Barns after that many passes? Or will the proton deflection be on the order of zero after 100,000 passes?

Just trying to get a fix on the scale of the gravito-magnetic field effect.

<br>Hmmm...very good practical question.

(BTW, I almost bought a Farnsworth just for experiments one time ...small commercial ones were running about $60,000 from Daimler in Europe.)

A fusion device is not exactly how to go about testing Gravtomagnetism....but lets try..

First I can if you have one, you should be placing a target in the center...and test for fusiion.......but yes it may be possible to oscillate thru the center if the center is an unobstructed vacuum....howeever, lets just get the path as it is going into the center appraoching the opoosite potental "wire".

<"will the proton oscillate back and forth or will the gravito-magnetic field deflect the proton into an orbit about the core after say, 100,000 trips through the center? Or will the proton deflection be on the order of Barns after that many passes? ">

Great question...

Lets look at the direction of the GM field first BEFORE getting into its magnitude. Bear with me on the details...

You have described a linear MASS Current....(a very small mass current, J, since a proton is a very small mass even though it will have a VERY high velocity)....so yes, it will produce a GM field.

Direction of the Gravitomagnetic (GM) field:
For linear motion of gravitational matter the GM field arranges itself circularly around the direction of the mass current just like a magnetic field 'curls' around a current carrying wire.

So in your Fusor case there is a linear matter current which will result in a GM field that circulates AROUND the linear PATH of the proton BUT.....in this case it will also have a MAGNETIC field circulating around that SAME path since the proton has electromagnetic CHARGE.

IOW, since you chose matter that has EM charge the GRAVITOmagnetic field and the MAGNETIC field will overlap.

NOTE:
The GM field does not deflect the particle that created it any more than a proton is deflected from a B field created by its OWN charge motion....the field only deflects a test particle that may be nearby.


NOW which way does the GM force operate on a test particle IF there was a test particle nearby.??

The direction of the FORCE (from a GM field) is orthogonal to the direction of the GM field and in this case also to the direction of the mass motion....

x neutral test particle
l
l Direction of force
l
V
-----------> Direction of mass motion.


This GM force is analogous to two current carrying parallel wires which experience an electromagnetic force pulling them together or pushing them apart (depending on the direction of the currents)....so also two MASS currents in parallel will experience an attractive (gravitomagnetic) force between them, albeit very tiny.

Are you still with me....? ....before we address the magnitude of the GM force.

Did that make sense?

JW
Aero
Yes, that makes sense. Now, lets focus on the Polywell fusor so that there is no grid in the middle, just a cloud of electrons (believed to be a spherical shell of electrons) and ignoring the machine imposed magnetic field for the moment. Let the test particle be a second proton. For realism, the test particle needs to be dropped into the potential well, just like the first one. You decide when and where for example's sake. I suppose it would be instructive and realistic to have the test particle be a low energy, neutralized proton (hydrogen atom) near the center of the core.
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 17 2009, 01:01 AM)
Yes, that makes sense. Now, lets focus on the Polywell fusor so that there is no grid in the middle, just a cloud of electrons (believed to be a spherical shell of electrons) and ignoring the machine imposed magnetic field for the moment. Let the test particle be a second proton. For realism, the test particle needs to be dropped into the potential well, just like the first one. You decide when and where for example's sake. I suppose it would be instructive and realistic to have the test particle be a low energy, neutralized proton (hydrogen atom) near the center of the core.

<br>Aero, thanks for the response...
I was ignoring any machine imposed magnetic field,...the first time...

The point is BECAUSE YOU ARE USING A CHARGED PARTICLE a magnetic field arises from the charge motion, whose strength, unfortunately, COMPLETELY swamps the strength (and force) of the gravitomagnetic field.
(remember in this case the 2 fields exactly overlap).

Now you know why using a particle accelerator to measure the GM field is not such a great idea. wink.gif

So, why is the gravitomagnetic field so tiny? Well, I'm glad you asked... laugh.gif

True, the strength of both fields depend upon current; the GM field depends upon mass x velocity (mass current) , and the Magnetic field depends upon charge x velocity, (charge current).
In the Fusor example, the mass is very small and the charge is very small, and both have the same velocity...so where's the problem?

Well, Remember when you asked about the magnetic permeability of the vacuum, Mu (previous post)? .....and it was found to have a value of 4(pi) x 10^-7 ? Well, that's where the problem lies...

The GRAVITOMAGNETIC permeability of the vacuum (call it Mu(g), which determines the strength of a GM field due mass current, has a value of....
.......4(pi) G / c^2 = 9.3 x 10^-27 !!
That's 20 orders of magnitude smaller than the magnetic permeability!....so the gravitomagnetic force is 20 orders of magnitude smaller.

In other words, it takes a HUGE amount of matter traveling at a very high speed to produce anything comparable to the strength of a typical magnetic field....according to GEM.

So even though the equations for magnetic field and gravitomagnetic field are about the SAME, the permeability constant, which determines the strength of the field for each, is quite different. {BTW, Even though 'mu' doesn't appear directly in the GM equation or the electromagnetic eqn., it is 'hidden' in the value of c which is in both eqns....remember c = 1 / Sq.Rt. (Mu x epsilon)}


JW biggrin.gif

P.S. Hope you don't think I'm ignoring your question as to what is the magnitude of the GM force exerted upon a test particle traveling parallel to the proton (say in opposite direction)....it ought to be obvious it is practically negligible...certainly not measureable....especially with the overpowering magnetic fields.
Hope I don't sound too discouraging but according to GEM that's how it comes out.

It would be far more testable to use neutral particles....if you wanted to test GM this way...but according to GEM the GM force would still be miniscule....and immeasureable.

That is why it is typically sought after in massive bodies and at high rotational speeds..and usually found in astrophysical settings.


"The Works of the Lord are great, studied by all who have pleasure therein". - Inscribed in the Archway of the Door to James Clerk Maxwell's Cavendish Laboratory - Cambridge
Aero
I think I get it but let me ask a question. To avoid electromagnetic forces, lets use a neutral particle. Is the following a correct understanding?

Given a single isolated neutral particle, in high velocity linear motion, there will be an attractive Gravito Magnetic force perpendicular to the direction of motion. This force is constant in magnitude but ever changing in direction, rotating around the particle and velocity vector. It is immeasurably small, but being gravity like, it is additive. One hundred neutral particles moving as a unit would generate 100 times this immeasurably small force.

If that is all their is, then it will be interesting to see how Dr. Brandenburg explains the Tajmar effect using GEM theory.

Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 17 2009, 03:03 PM)
I think I get it but let me ask a question. To avoid electromagnetic forces, lets use a neutral particle. Is the following a correct understanding?

Given a single isolated neutral particle, in high velocity linear motion, there will be an attractive Gravito Magnetic force perpendicular to the direction of motion. This force is constant in magnitude but ever changing in direction, rotating around the particle and velocity vector. It is immeasurably small, but being gravity like, it is additive. One hundred neutral particles moving as a unit would generate 100 times this immeasurably small force.

If that is all their is, then it will be interesting to see how  Dr. Brandenburg  explains the Tajmar effect using GEM theory.

<br>
"<"Given a single isolated neutral particle, in high velocity linear motion, there will be an attractive Gravito Magnetic force perpendicular to the direction of motion">.

Hmmm....Not exactly. That particle CREATES the GM field and experiences no force..... The force ACTS upon the TEST particle....which BTW, must be moving also. I guess I didn't explain properly.


<". This force is constant in magnitude but ever changing in direction, rotating around the particle and velocity vector.">

No; I guess I didn't expalin GM "force" completely. The GM force UPON A TEST PARTICLE is constant in magnitude only if the velocity of matter which produced the field is constant... which is NOT the case in your fusor example since the GM field producing particle is accelerating toward the grid (an important point I didn't bring up before but I will address later).

And NO, it is the GM FIELD that rotates around the particle's velocity vector, ....not the force. The force UPON A TEST PARTICLE is not changing direction. It remains orthogonal to the field lines. The GM 'Lorentz" force goes as the cross product of the GM field and the test particle's velocity... mv X B(g)....the test particle must be moving. This is exactly analogous in electromagnetism to the lorentz force on a moving charge thru a magnetic field....F = qv X B.
(Howevr, in the fusor case, even the B(g) FIELD is not constant because the proton that produced it is accelerating....a fact I ignored in the last post for simplicity).
[Sorry for the confusion on my bad diagram in previous post; the test charge must be moving also ].

. NOTE: It is different slightly for rotation of mass...since a dipole GM field develops upon rotation.

<"One hundred neutral particles moving as a unit would generate 100 times this immeasurably small force.">
Yes, ...sending a bunched pulse of 10^4 particles to the grid would increase its GM field. I really like your idea about getting them to OSCILLATE ....more on that later.

"<If that's all there is, then it will be interesting to see how Dr. Brandenburg explains the Tajmar effect using GEM theory">

Of course, that's NOT "all there is"...we've just barely touched the surface of GEM.

Tajmar has addressed his ideas from the beginning in terms of GEM, ....if you would like I will tell you how that relates.....
In fact when I told you how undetectable gravitomagnetism is experimentally in a lab, I thought you were going to ask, . "Then why did Tajmar attempt to do it? "

Brandenburg will probably re-hash Tajmar's GEM analysis possibly with some slight modifications.

I'll get to Tajmar's GEM analysis later if you like.


G^2 cool.gif
Aero
You mentioned earlier that you would talk about the energy derivative term, + dE/dt. How does it compare in magnitude to the -4(pi)J term? Under what conditions do the two terms become equal (or cancel)?
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Aero+Feb 18 2009, 02:27 PM)
You mentioned earlier that you would talk about the energy derivative term, + dE/dt. How does it compare in magnitude to the -4(pi)J term? Under what conditions do the two terms become equal (or cancel)?

<br>Aero;
In these eqns., E is not energy.

E is electric field (in the E & M equations)...
or gravitoelectric field, (in GEM)

I believe my comment was "Don't worry about dE / dt for now".

G^2 wink.gif

Aero, let me ask you a question...

In electromagnetics, what produces a magnetic field?
..
Aero
GW -
I apologize if I have insulted you. You have insulted me. In the future, please try to be more tactful. You have a lot to contribute but no one likes to be considered the class "stoopid."
In answer to your question, see
QUOTE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
Just Wonderful
unsure.gif ??What do you mean?
You haven't insulted me , aero; and I didn't think that I insullted you...

where's the problem? What else could I do but correct your misunderstanding of E ? I don't think that is trying to make you look stupid.

I asked the question to see what level of knowledge you have of the electromagnetic equations...since your first question made it seem like you were unfamiliar with them....
Sometimes a discourse in that helps.

sorry.

JW
gravitophoton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication
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Aero
QUOTE (gravitophoton+Feb 19 2009, 07:47 AM)

Thanks gravitophoton.

GW - My Supervisor once called me into his office to go over his review of the draft of my tech paper. He gently pointed out that in the introduction, my overview of Special Relativity appeared to be condescending and that other readers within the group might find that offensive.

Your question on electromagnetism seemed condescending to me, it struck that nerve within me so I felt insulted.

As for GEM Theory, I have learned all I care to know about it. That is, it is not a new theory, rather it fits securely within the Standard Model. Because of the unfamiliar name associated with the Tajmar Effect, and my ancient education, I failed to recognize it at first.

Thank you for your informed posts. Peace.
gdaigle
John Brandenburg's abstract for tomorrow's presentation at SPESIF on GEM Theory and Tajmar's results is here:
http://ias-spes.org/AGENDA/Abstracts/025%20Brandenburg.pdf
makuabob
So, despite the work on GEM and the Heim Theory WIKI, there remains the serious lack of a Heim Theory cosmogony. I don't want to sound like a broken record (or a nag) but someone needs to pull together the metronic hermetry and apply it to the initial formation of matter in our universe. The Hot Big Bang Theory lads and lasses are having a field day, inventing all manor of fields/particles to justify the various deep space observations that define our larger existence. Really,... I roll my eyes every time I think of it!

In a Heim Theory event dubbed here and now as the "First Flash," all matter—baryons, mesons, leptons, photons or whatever—came to be and has to be explained. Since the overall shape of the Heim cosmos sprang into being full-formed, as Athena from the cleft in Zeus' head, an explanation of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, the (undectable but inferred) Cosmic Neutrino Background, dark matter, dark energy, the ratios of primordial isotopes of hydrogen/helium/lithium/beryllium,... and any other claims made by the HBBT must be countered with rational statements springing from HT.

I have, personally, come to a fairly reasonable scenario for the CMBR and the distribution of matter in the universe we see but,.. I'm nobody of consequence. A heavy-hitting bludgeon master of Heim physics will have to pound the rationale into the public's mind,... once there is something to pound.

Good luck with our new physics, we're going to need it.
gdaigle
Dr. Hauser will be lecturing on EHT at an AIAA dinner March 13th in Sacramento. It is open to the public. Thanks to hdeasy for the heads-up.

MichaelB
Would be cool if somebody could make a video (if allowed, if somebody can attend) of the lecture. :-)
Aero
I posted a question some time ago along the lines of, "Could Tajmar's experiment somehow be rearranged so that the force generated would be directed radially inward?" I lost interest because I didn't think of an application but I did get several replies, including this one.

QUOTE (hdeasy+Dec 9 2008, 02:38 PM)
Tajmar is indeed talking to Droscher a lot - they are both Austrian physicists and also EHT was the only theory to PREDICT his effect a priori. Also note that in Tajmar's papers, he refers to 2 or 3 proposed theories for the effect, i.e. Heim's and an arbitrary, rather ugly add onn to the standard mmodel, assuming dark energy as the mechanism. But DE is much too weak and in EHT it's many orders of magnitude weaker than the gravitophoton force. So EHT is still the best candidate for the Tajmar effect.

On radial force: note that the force is a cross product between Mag field and disk motion... I think - so might be able to get it... I'll check later...

<br>Today, an application came to mind. That is, imagine two spinning concentric rings, (Magnets and currents included as necessary), one generating a radial inward field, the second rotating within that generated field. The second ring should be able to be spun up to speeds beyond the material limits because it is being held together by the inward pointing gravitational like field. Point being that maybe the rotation rate of the ring used for a Heim field inertial space drive is not as limited by material strength as we have always considered.

To caveat, I realize that the stressing forces caused by the spin are much greater than gravity forces but still, its something to think about.
Cusa
Heim was a baker of Fudge all the way.
hdeasy
Hi Aero,

Sorry for not getting back on that earlier. You could indeed get an inward directed force if, as in the proposed GME2 experiment, you have an external superconducting magnetic ring - i.e. a wide coil, except that in your case you arrange it so the magnetic field lines point inward. Since the gravito-magnetic force is 1/c(v x B ) x v where v is tangential velocity of the rotating disk and c light speed, and B the field, with v and B vectors, you can see that the force will be in the direction of the component of B, that doesn't point along v. In fact, in GME2, there will be a component of force radially outward as well as vertical, as the field lines slant up at an angle to the vertical.
djolds1
Developments in LQG:

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/0...-to-reality.ars


Loop quantum gravity: getting closer to reality

The standard model of physics and loop quantum gravity may be compatible after all, as theoreticians have found a way to get gauge transformations into the loop.
By Chris Lee | Last updated March 6, 2009 2:38 PM CT


Quantum mechanics and general relativity are fundamentally incompatible for reasons that relate to views of the world that simply cannot be reconciled. In general relativity, space and time are regarded as continuous objects, while quantum mechanics requires that, at some level, space and time be discrete. Now, although we know that quantum mechanics will have to be modified to include gravity, which will allow it to incorporate the behaviors ascribed to general relativity, it should be noted that general relativity needs to be replaced for other reasons as well. For example, the continuous nature of space allows black holes to collapse to point-like objects. Likewise, using just general relativity, the universe began with an infinitely dense point. Physicists don't like infinity, and we tend to object to theories that distill down to it.

Among the many contenders for combining gravity and quantum mechanics is loop quantum gravity. As with all proposals of this sort, this one has its detractors. One of the most serious failings of the theory is that it was thought that it might not be possible to perform what are called gauge transformations using it. This would have been a significant problem, because gauge transformations are fundamental to quantum mechanics and it would be unlikely that loop quantum gravity would be able to encompass all of quantum mechanics without them—a major failing for a theory aiming to replace the standard model. A recent publication, by scientists at the University of Rome, shows that gauge transformations generally do work in loop quantum gravity.

Loop quantum gravity might be thought of as the dark horse in the race for a quantum gravity. Nevertheless, it has some remarkable features. For instance, gravity becomes repulsive at high densities, preventing the formation of singularities. This naturally prevents black holes from collapsing to a point-like object. Similarly, the big bang becomes a big bounce, and questions like "what happened before the big bang?" become physically meaningful. Importantly, space and time quantization occurs naturally with loop quantum gravity.

Its biggest problem lies not in its ability to encompass gravity but in its ability to retain the properties of the standard model. The standard model relies heavily on something called a gauge transformation. The point to gauge transformations is that, when this mathematical trick is played, certain parts of the physics remains the same, while others change. The way these changes and invariants crop up tells us about the symmetry that's observed in nature and explain a huge variety of results.

This is such a powerful tool in physics that it will take a significant amount of evidence to convince physicists to give up gauge transformations. That makes it a really important that any theory that replaces the standard model is compliant with gauge transformations as well. This latest work shows that gauge transformations work in loop quantum gravity for systems which don't change with time—everything traveling at constant speed and in straight lines. Furthermore, the way it is constructed shows that time varying systems should work as well—they'll just be much more difficult to work on.

This is great hurdle that loop quantum gravity has overcome. It should still be considered an outside contender, at least as far as most of the quantum gravity community is concerned. Its very existence, however, shows that physicists will look under any mathematical rock to acquire a unified theory of quantum mechanics and gravity.

Physical Review Letters, 2009, DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.102.091301
gdaigle
Was anyone able to attend Dr. Hauser's presentation last evening in Sacramento?
Aero
I have not had much response from my "Off the wall" posts though I don't think they are necessarily "Off topic." So I'll try another idea out on you.

Consider the experiment, GME - 2, then place another, complete duplicate experiment operating within the generated gravity field. What would be the nature of the resulting field? Would the physics of the second copy be the same as the first?

Note that this configuration is applicable to craft shaped like dirigibles or more particularly, submarines.
Aero
OK, so here is another one.
Consider Tajmar's experiment GME-1. It causes a uniform acceleration directed radially from the spinning disk. Therefore, the forces on the experimental structure, F=ma, are also uniform and directed radially, but they need not be uniform. There seems to be no reason why a large mass could not be situated next to the spinning disk, say a half cylinder having an inner radius just larger than the outer radius of the spinning disk and pivoted about the axis of rotation of the disk. When the mass is locked at zero degrees, an unbalanced force is created directed along the radius from the center of rotation. When the mass is locked at 90 degrees, the direction of the unbalanced force changes by 90 degrees.
It seems off the top that this could be a configuration of an Inertial drive.
Jossarian
Do Mirrors for Gravitational Waves Exist?
QUOTE

A gravitational wave stretches and squeezes space as it moves through the universe. Any object in its way will appear to be squashed  and stretched in the same way, the particles within this object will move with the distorted space in a specific trajectory (called geodesic motion).

The new idea comes from considering what happens to a superconducting sheet when a gravitational wave passes by. The Cooper pairs within the sheet are quantum objects governed by the uncertainty principle and so cannot have specific trajectory: they are entirely delocalised. On the other hand, the ions that make up the crystal structure of the superconductor are not delocalised and so can move along a geodesic trajectory when a gravitational wave passes.

This is the basis on which a gravitational wave can interact with a superconducting sheet. “Quantum delocalization causes the Cooper pairs of a superconductor to undergo non-geodesic motion relative to the geodesic motion of its ionic lattice,” says Chiao and buddies.

They speculate that this difference in motion causes the sheet to absorb energy from the  gravitational wave and then re-radiate it as gravitational wave traveling in the opposite direction–in other words specular reflection.

<a href='http://http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0661' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Here is the paper.

/Joss
gdaigle
Good time to ask if HFGWs, such as predicted by Chiao, are allowed under EHT? If not, are any gravity waves associated with gravitophotons predicted by D&H?
gdaigle
The reason why I ask is if Minter, Wegter-McNelly and Chiao posit an interaction between gravity waves and Cooper pairs in lattice structures, then might there be similar interaction between gravito-photon waves and condensed matter materials... or (very speculatively) even non-condensed matter materials?
Jossarian
Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope (former GLAST) after being launched 2008-06-11 at 16:05 GMT delivers first findings which are quite revolutionary:
QUOTE
GRB 080916C is a gamma-ray burst (GRB) that occurred on September 16, 2008 in the Carina constellation and detected by NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. It is the most powerful gamma-ray burst ever recorded. The explosion had more power than 9,000 supernovae, and the gas jets emitting the initial gamma rays moved at a minimum velocity of 99.9999 percent the speed of light, making this blast the most extreme recorded to date.

The 16.5-second delay for the highest-energy gamma ray observed in this burst is consistent with some theories of quantum gravity, which state that all forms of light may not travel through space at the same speed. Very-high-energy gamma rays may be slowed down as they propagate through the quantum turbulence of space-time.

The explosion took place 12.2 billion light-years (light travel distance) away. That means it occurred 12.2 billion years ago — when the universe was only about 1.5 billion years old. The burst lasted for 23 minutes, almost 700 times as long as the two-second average for high energy GRBs. Follow-up observations were made 32 hours after the blast using the Gamma-Ray Burst Optical/Near-Infrared Detector (GROND) on the 2.2 meter telescope at the European Southern Observatory in La Silla, Chile, allowing astronomers to pinpoint the blast’s distance to 12.2 billion light years.
<br>Here are two articles which cover this subject in more detail:
Gamma-Ray Burst Hints of Space-Time Foam
New window on the high-energy universe

/Joss
gdaigle
Now the physics arXiv blog at Technology Review suggests that Chiao's paper on a 42 orders of magnitude larger gravity wave reflection may have been in play to explain the anomalous data from Gravity Probe B due to a mirror effect from the superconducting niobium spheres.

Tajmar? Tajmar who?
Astepintime
QUOTE (gdaigle+Mar 23 2009, 01:03 PM)
Now the physics arXiv blog at Technology Review suggests that Chiao's paper on a 42 orders of magnitude larger gravity wave reflection may have been in play to explain the anomalous data from Gravity Probe B due to a mirror effect from the superconducting niobium spheres.

Tajmar? Tajmar who?
Well, I have begun to read this interesting paper by Chiao and company.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0661


But I must say from the outset I really do not understand their claim that an electric polarization is created due to "Quantum delocalization causes the Cooper pairs of a superconductor to undergo non-geodesic motion, in contrast to the the geodesic motion of its ionic lattice. " Perhaps someone can explain this?

I mean if a Gravitational wave hits a superconducting film then the entire space-time around the film is hit so the entire space-time is effected in the same way. The Cooper pairs and non-cooper pairs are in the SAME space-time, so how does delocalization make the motion different?
gdaigle
Chiao has published a recent letter to his paper. It does mention Tajmar, but only in passing.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3280
gravitophoton
AIP Conference Proceedings Volume 1103
SPACE, PROPULSION & ENERGY SCIENCES INTERNATIONAL FORUM: SPESIF-2009
http://proceedings.aip.org/dbt/dbt.jsp?KEY...me=1103&Issue=1
at least the abstracts are free,biggrin.gif
Just Wonderful
QUOTE (Astepintime+Mar 23 2009, 08:59 PM)


But I must say from the outset I really do not understand their claim that  an electric polarization is created due to "Quantum  delocalization causes the Cooper pairs of a superconductor to undergo non-geodesic motion, in contrast to the the geodesic motion of its ionic lattice. " Perhaps someone can explain this?


I think the idea is.....IF positive lattice moves geodesically and IF negative cooper pairs don't, then there is charge separation which results in electric polarization. That's a Big 'IF' laugh.gif .


<"I mean if a Gravitational wave hits a superconducting film then the entire space-time around the film is hit so the entire space-time is effected in the same way. The Cooper pairs and non-cooper pairs are in the SAME space-time, so how does delocalization make the motion different?">


Exactly; Chaio makes the ASSUMPTION that condensed matter (cooper pairs) fall differently than normal matter in a Gravitational field; In other words, he assumes there will be Equivalence Principle violation. Like you, I don't see any evidence for that. laugh.gif

JW
Jossarian
According to this AIAA article Tajmar experiments are being discussed in new book published by AIAA: Frontiers of Propulsion Science.

According to Marc G. Millis (one of book authors):
QUOTE
First, although Tajmar has a chapter, it is on his tests of two of Woodward’s devices (independent assessment) rather than his own experiments.
Tajmar’s own experiments are mostly introduced in the chapter by Hathaway, but these experiments are still undergoing so many revisions that we are not yet ready to describe it. That will have to wait for future publications.
This chapter name is :
Gravitational Experiments with Superconductors: History and Lessons
by George D. Hathaway, Hathaway Consulting, Toronto, Canada


It seems that both M. Tajmar and Marc G. Millis are members of Tau Zero Foundation.

Anyone knows anything more about this foundation? Read this book maybe?
"Woodward’s devices" - What is that?? blink.gif

/Joss
djolds1
QUOTE (Jossarian+Mar 25 2009, 04:44 PM)

"Woodward’s devices" - What is that?? blink.gif

/Joss
Google search "Mach-Lorentz Thruster"

If EHT is fringe, Woodward is off the side of the world.
Aero
QUOTE (djolds1+Mar 25 2009, 10:57 PM)
Google search "Mach-Lorentz Thruster"

If EHT is fringe, Woodward is off the side of the world.

You can also look at this page.
www.npl.washington.edu/av/altvw83.html
makuabob
QUOTE (Jossarian+Mar 20 2009, 07:35 AM)
Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope (former GLAST) after being launched 2008-06-11 at 16:05 GMT delivers first findings which are quite revolutionary:...

Here are two articles which cover this subject in more detail:
Gamma-Ray Burst Hints of Space-Time Foam
New window on the high-energy universe

/Joss

And there is more!
Armada of telescopes capture blazar together

Where the second link above states:
QUOTE
In its first four months of monitoring the heavens from orbit, NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope has unveiled the activity of celestial objects that emit powerful gamma rays — photons that pack 20 million to more than 300 billion times the energy of visible light.
The last one above says:
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
In its first four months of monitoring the heavens from orbit, NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope has unveiled the activity of celestial objects that emit powerful gamma rays — photons that pack 20 million to more than 300 billion times the energy of visible light.
The last one above says:
PKS 2155-304 is usually detectable as a faint gamma-ray source, but in 2006 it underwent a major outburst, lighting up in the highest gamma ray energies at 50 trillion times the energy of visible light.
Do we sufficiently appreciate how far the 'event horizon' of the observable universe moves out when we are looking for photons that started out at <5x10^13 electron-volts?! This means that, given matter in the Heim universe formed ~15 to 40 billion years ago, observations should be possible to prove the Hot Big Bang theory strains credulity.

A different, curious point concerning the 'space-foam' aspect is that these very highest energy gamma rays have an even longer path take toward us so, taking into account the accelerating expansion of space-time, how much does this extra distance they travel draw in that same 'event horizon?' Which is to say, the observable universe does not grow linearly with increased photon energy but may approach a limit (depending on just how small the 'foam' features are). Conversely, as these photons are redshifted by quintessence AND the space-foam features, there may be a point at which they no longer 'sense' the space-foam fluctuations and further redshift is solely due to quintessence. Is there a detectable change in redshift at that point? blink.gif
gravitophoton
"Woodward’s devices" - What is that?? blink.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect

US Patent #6,347,766 "Method And Apparatus For Generating Propulsive Forces Without The Ejection Of Propellant" James Woodward and Thomas Mahood

Aero
QUOTE
Haisch began thinking about the intriguing possibility that the quantum vacuum might have something to do with inertial mass in February 1991.
<br>http://www.calphysics.org/articles/chown2007.html

Have we discussed the above idea on this forum in light of what Heim theory tells us? The article is rather lengthy, written for the popular press, but interesting. It seems to me that it describes aspects of the Heim universe using different terminology and in less exacting detail.

Opinions?
makuabob
QUOTE (Aero+Mar 28 2009, 11:49 AM)

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/chown2007.html

Have we discussed the above idea on this forum in light of what Heim theory tells us? The article is rather lengthy, written for the popular press, but interesting. It seems to me that it describes aspects of the Heim universe using different terminology and in less exacting detail.

Opinions?

Thanks for the link. I agree that this IS an interesting article. It brought up some points I had not considered previously. Chown makes an obvious effort to remain 'orthodox' while explaining things, so there is no clear tie-in to Heim Theory.

It does a good job of questioning the need for the Higgs field. The folk at CERN will (have already) poo-poo'd the notion that a Higgs boson explains very little. Their careers/livelihoods are tied to the Higgs particle so, yes, it is clearly connected with mass(ive amounts of income). wink.gif

It is interesting to read an explanation of how inertia might be caused, meaning the quantum vacuum's property of virtual pairs of (mostly) electrons and positrons popping out and then recombining. The idea of 'thermal pressure' is curious but it boggles the mind to think that, in getting a bowling ball up to the speed (energy) needed to knock down some pins, I am 'warming up' one side of the ball and cooling the other, apparently at the atomic level.

QUOTE (Why are loaded fridges difficult to budge? Because empty space impedes them.+)
In the modern view, the particles are nothing more than localised "excitations" - vortices if you like - in that sea. The vortex of the Higgs field not surprisingly called the Higgs particle.

This is about as close to Heim theory as this article comes. There is no development of what might cause these 'vortices' in 4-D space-time. Also, the idea of ANYTHING (including gravity) exceeding "c" is dismissed out-of-hand.

Still, the link is worth visiting for a fresh look at how the universe may function. I am sure to revisit it at least one more time.
djolds1
QUOTE (Aero+Mar 28 2009, 04:49 PM)

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/chown2007.html

Have we discussed the above idea on this forum in light of what Heim theory tells us? The article is rather lengthy, written for the popular press, but interesting. It seems to me that it describes aspects of the Heim universe using different terminology and in less exacting detail.

Opinions?

I ran across Haisch some years ago. His take on inertia seemed unique. But the presence of Harold Puthoff in his circle raises yellow flags.

QUOTE (makuabob+Mar 28 2009, 02:14 PM)
QUOTE (Why are loaded fridges difficult to budge? Because empty space impedes them.+)
In the modern view, the particles are nothing more than localised "excitations" - vortices if you like - in that sea. The vortex of the Higgs field not surprisingly called the Higgs particle.

This is about as close to Heim theory as this article comes. There is no development of what might cause these 'vortices' in 4-D space-time. Also, the idea of ANYTHING (including gravity) exceeding "c" is dismissed out-of-hand.

That description IS vaguely similar to the Heim concept. And recall that strictly speaking, nothing in EHT exceeds "c" either. "c" is locally redefined but all matter remains subject to (adjusted) relativity in that local region.

Duane
kurt9
Bernard Haisch has been issued a patent for producing energy from the zero-point field. His patent (http://www.calphysics.org/Patent.html) details various designs of MEMS devices that utilize the casimir force to generate heat. Since the MEMS devices in question are of a geometry that can be fabricated (no features smaller than 100nm) by existing MEMS foundries, Haisch and the people working with him should be able to make a "proof of principle" MEMS device with the $100K they got from the University of Colorado (Jovion is the name of the start-up company he has started for this work). I know enough about semiconductor and MEMS process technologies to believe that he should be able to fabricate a simple demonstration device in the next 1-2 years by using the services of any existing commercial MEMS foundry.

I don't buy into any of these zero point energy theories. However, of all of the people into these ideas, Haisch seems to be the most solid guy into this stuff. Even if the Jovion experiment is not successful (which is the most likely outcome), it will still teach us useful information about the quantum vacuum.
makuabob
QUOTE (kurt9+Mar 30 2009, 11:45 PM)
Bernard Haisch has been issued a patent for producing energy from the zero-point field. His patent (http://www.calphysics.org/Patent.html) details various designs of MEMS devices that utilize the casimir force to generate heat. Since the MEMS devices in question are of a geometry that can be fabricated (no features smaller than 100nm) by existing MEMS foundries, Haisch and the people working with him should be able to make a "proof of principle" MEMS device with the $100K they got from the University of Colorado (Jovion is the name of the start-up company he has started for this work). I know enough about semiconductor and MEMS process technologies to believe that he should be able to fabricate a simple demonstration device in the next 1-2 years by using the services of any existing commercial MEMS foundry.

I don't buy into any of these zero point energy theories. However, of all of the people into these ideas, Haisch seems to be the most solid guy into this stuff. Even if the Jovion experiment is not successful (which is the most likely outcome), it will still teach us useful information about the quantum vacuum.

I'm going with kurt9's don't-buy-in attitude. I didn't even get through the synopsis before my spider sense was tingling. The further I read in their .PDF of the patent application, the more intense the tingle became. Also, where's the tie-in with Heim Theory? I don't see one.

For one thing, ALL of this is hypothetical; the writer constantly states none of this has actually been proved (which doesn't preclude filing for a patent). I immediately saw that moving the atoms into and out of the Casimir cavities (or altering the volumes of the cavities) would consume considerable energy. (The claim is that a couple of milliwatts produces a couple of kilowatts. Sweet! I believe that's known as "the hook.") Those atoms are at room temperature and are jumping all over the place, relative to their effective diameter and the Casimir cavities are barely bigger than the atoms.

The ambient electromagnetic quantum vacuum is going to supply this 'free' energy at the speed of light, just like sunlight? What if the earth's molten iron core is suppressing the AEQV? There's the start of a flow bottleneck. I dunno,... energy flowing in from everywhere sounds dangerous, doesn't it?

A non-technical flag is raised by the poor quality of the writing. Sure, a typo is going to happen but missing the agreement of number in subject and verb really makes me feel uncomfortable about the thing. Repetition is another indicator: just how dense are Patent Examiners? This paper seems to think you can't repeat your idea too many times.

Put me down as very skeptical. :-(
djolds1
QUOTE (makuabob+Apr 1 2009, 02:42 AM)
Put me down as very skeptical.  :-(

Here's another take on the geometrization of physics, via fractals:

http://tinyurl.com/cezbfg

VERY iffy popular source, I know.

The two relevant arxiv papers:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.1148
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0511251
zyh
Mysterious Vorticity Force, a Great World-Shaking Discovery

Preface:
Why does Pioneer 10 deviate from its orbit and travel at a decreasing velocity?
Why does the moon gradually get away from the earth?
Why does Mercury conduct precession?
Why is the earth rotation slowing down?
……
The answer is given as follows:
The Vorticity Force.

The mankind, from Aristotle to Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and the current generation,have been researching on the “gravitation” for over 2,000 years; However, the essence of gravitation still remains a conundrum; in addition, a great deal of physical phenomena cannot be explained with accuracy. At the beginning of the 21st century, the velocity decrement of space probes such as Pioneer 10 evolves as a major global baffling physical problem. Many scientists had raised a lot of theories to interpret this baffling problem, but none of them had been generally acknowledged by the public. Based on the results of experiments and researches I conducted in the past over two decades, I think that the extremely minute delay during flight of Pioneer 10 has nothing to do with the errors of observation on the earth, probe faults, interplanetary dust, and dark matter, instead, it is directly related to the so-called vorticity force that is ignored by people up to now. With the aid of a long-term Cavendish torsion balance experiments, not only the existence of such a force has been proved, but also the action of the vorticity force has been determined to be 1/10 billion of the earth surface gravity, and a new gravitation calculating formula as follows has been drawn:
F = Fn + Ft
Normal component Fn = GMm / r2
Tangential component [vorticity force] Ft = kGMmωCosα / r2
Where, K = 0.4 is a coefficient, ω indicates the angular velocity of a rotating sphere, in rps; α indicates the orbit inclination; Since the nine planets always stay in the equatorial plane of the sun, Cosα ≈ 1 is set.

The new gravitation calculating formula, which is drawn on the basis of experiments conducted by me in the past over two decades (over 300 students had participated in the several ten thousand experiments), indicates that the universal gravitation is composed of not only its normal component (i.e. the universal gravitation raised by Newton), but also its tangential component (i.e. the vorticity force). By means of accurate survey of the vorticity force and the new gravitation calculating formula, we can not only conduct qualitative explanation but also quantitative calculation of a great deal of problems of mechanics and astronomy, including the velocity decrement of Pioneer 10:
1. Mercury’s precession of 43" per 100 years (discrepancy from Newtonian theory)
2. Venus’ precession of 8.4″±4.8″per 100 years (discrepancy from Newtonian theory)
3. The earth’s precession of 5.0″±1.2″ per 100 years (discrepancy from Newtonian theory)
4. The velocity decrement of 4 space probes such as Pioneer 10 (the velocity decrement is equivalent to 1/10 billion of the earth-surface acceleration of gravity)
5. The moon is getting away from the earth by 3cm/year.
6. Rotation period of the earth is getting longer (0.00164s/100 years)
7. The setting point of Coriolis force moves eastward.
8. Revolution period of the Martian satellite I around Mars is getting longer (0.1ms/r).
9. The orbital plane of sun-synchronous orbital satellites shows precession; the precession of orbital plane of polar satellite at a high level of 900 kilometers is 1 degree per day. The orbital plane is perpendicular to the vorticity force and static against the vorticity force, which may be a great opportunity to prove the vorticity force and accuracy of the formula.
10. The oblateness 5×10-5m/s2 of the earth may affect the orbit of GPS satellites for approximately 10,000m per day, and this phenomenon can be interpreted and calculated as per the theory of vorticity force. The non-sphericity perturbation, which is the maximum perturbation item for calculation of satellite orbit, is caused by action of the vorticity force instead of the ellipticity of the earth.
11. Solar wind acceleration: The jet velocity is usually up to approximately 450 kilometers/second when it reaches the earth.
The above-mentioned achievements in research were already published in the publication (Mysterious Vorticity Force, a Companion of the Universal Gravitation, published by China 21st Century Publishing House) released in 2005; some contents of the book shall be quoted and given below to show how the above-mentioned problems are interpreted and calculated as per the new gravitation calculating formula.

I. Velocity Decrement of Pioneer 10
Pioneer 10 was launched in 1972 to probe the interplanetary medium, magnetosphere and atmosphere of Jupiter. It crossed the orbit of Neptune in 1983. Pioneer 11 was launched in 1975 to probe Jupiter. The probe Galileo is launched in October 1989, it crossed Venus in February 1990, it traveled 3.7 ×109 kilometers in 6 years and finally reached the periphery of Jupiter in 1996 and flied round Jupiter for 11 circles to perform relevant expedition. Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 have already made a visit to Jupiter and Saturn. 2 airships “Tourist” have already accessed the vicinity of Uranus and Neptune. Now the 4 airships have already reached the periphery of the solar system. The doubt about Newton's law of gravitation, which is raised by the velocity decrement of spacecrafts and put forward by the scientists from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, is in agreement with the conclusion of the experiments, and the analysis (data up to Year 2002) of the orbits is given as below:
1. Qualitative Analysis:
Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, and Galileo were launched from the earth, and separated themselves from the earth orbit (earth vortex) to probe Jupiter, but they still remain inside the sun vortex. Since the earth is closer to the sun, the vorticity force of the sun near the earth's revolution orbit is high; while, Jupiter is far away form the sun, therefore the vorticity force of the sun is low. Taking the proximity of the earth's revolution orbit as a frame of reference, people may feel that spacecrafts are losing speed when they are close to Jupiter’s revolution orbit.
2. Quantitative Analysis:
Earth-rotation angular velocity: ωe = 1.16×10-5 rps Sun rotation period is 25 days
Sun-rotation angular velocity: ωs = ωe/25
Relationship between mass of the sun and mass of the earth: Ms = 3.3×105 Me
Radius of the earth Re = 6.4×103 km
Distance from the earth to the sun: ds-e = 1.5×108 km
Distance from Jupiter to the sun: ds-j = 7.78×108 km
Vorticity force near the earth's revolution orbit, centering on the sun:
Ft-e = KGMs mωsCosα/d2 s-e..
(Cosα ≈ 1, m indicates the weight of a space probe, and k = 0.4 is a coefficient) ①
Ft-e = G (Mem/Re2) × 3.3×105 ωsK
d2 s-e / Re2
Have the data substituted in:
Ft-e = G (Mem /Re2)×3.3×105×1.16×10-5×0.40
25 ×(1.50×108 /6.4×103)2
= 1.12×10-10 GMem /Re2
= 1.12×10-10 Fne
Where, Fne indicates the earth gravitation to the space probe, namely the gravity
Vorticity force Ft-j of the sun near Jupiter’s revolution orbit of:
Ft-j Ft-e = ds-e ds-j2 = 1.5×108 7.78×1082 .②
Ft-j = 0.037Ft-e
When people take the earth 's revolution orbit as a frame of reference, the force (i.e. the vorticity force)observed near Jupiter’s revolution orbit that causes the velocity decrement of spacecrafts is:
Ft = Ft-e - Ft-j = Ft-e (1-0.037) = 1.08×10-10×Fne......③
The conclusion is approximate to the data raised by the scientists from USA.
As per the data acquired up till now, Pioneer 10 already falls behind its scheduled travel for over 400,000 kilometers, and this can also be calculated as per the formula listed below:
S = 0.5at2
Where, “a” indicates 1/10 billion of acceleration of gravity on the earth surface, and “t” indicates the time (launching time, in seconds), if the following data are substituted in─
S = 0.5×9.8×10-10 × (30×365×24×60×60)2
= 438,500Km
The result of calculation basically conforms to the falling-behind distance of Pioneer 10.
The velocity decrement of the 4 space probes such as Pioneer 10 launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration is a major issue of celestial mechanics at the beginning of the new century. It raised an accurate and strong query about the Newton's law of gravitation. In addition, it proved the assumption of gravitation put forward by Kepler and the forecast of “frame dragging” raised in the general relativity, and rendered a relatively accurate criterion for the exactness of the calculating formula for vorticity force (i.e. the tangential component of universal gravitation).

II. The Moon gradually Gets away from the Earth
In recent years, some scientists and scientific workers from several countries find out that the moon is gradually getting away from us and will get darker and darker by in-depth research.
The measuring results, which were acquired by the scientists from USA and France with the aid of the mirrors erected by USA spaceman on the moon in 1969, shows that the distance between the earth and the moon had been increased for over 1m in the past 28 years. The scientists from USA and France measured the changes in the distance between the moon and the earth by the accurate time measuring method. The said method makes a laser pulse be projected onto the mirror surface erected on the moon and then reflected back to a detector erected on the earth, and such a return journey requires approximately 2.5 seconds. Repeated measurements of the changes in the time necessary for the return journey may indicate the changes in the distance between the moon and the earth. The repeated measurements show that the distance between the moon and the earth is increased for nearly 4 centimeters due to the rubbing effect of tides occurring on the earth surface.
The scientists thought that tides took place on the earth surface under the action of the moon gravitation, part of the energy of such tidal movements was scattered into the seas and oceans on the earth, the said loss of energy might have influence upon the movement of the moon system, therefore the moon was gradually getting away from the earth.

Two geographers from USA also find out that the moon is gradually getting away from the earth indeed through their research in the nautilus fossils. The two scientists took a view of the research findings of several kinds of nautilus fossils and found that the undulating whorls on their shells were provided with performances identical with those of the growth rings of trees. There were many sets of whorls that were different in width, each set had approximately 30 fine undulating growth lines, and the number of growth lines were identical with the number of days of a month specified in the modern lunar calendar. It was observed that one undulating growth line might be formed within one day, and one set of growth lines might be formed within one month. The two scientists were greatly enlightened by such a special phenomenon of growth. They observed again the fossils of ancient nautilus and found out wondrously that the number of growth lines of each set of the ancient nautilus was gradually reduced along with increase of the fossil ages, while the growth lines on spiral shells of the same geological age were changeless. The research findings show that there are 30 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the contemporary age, there are 26 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the Oligocene epoch of Cenozoic era, there are 22 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the Cretaceous period, there are 18 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the Jurassic Period, there are 15 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the Carboniferous Period of the Paleozoic Era, and there are 9 growth lines on the shell of a nautilus living in the Ordovician period. Based on the data given above, it may be concluded that it took only 9 days for the moon to move a circle round the earth 420 million years before, namely in the Ordovician period of the Paleozoic Era. The two geographers calculated the distance between the moon and the earth at that time in accordance with the physics principles such as the universal gravitation, and the calculated result showed that the distance between the moon and the earth over 400 million years before was 43% of the current one.
The scientists also performed calculations and researches in the phenomena of lunar eclipse recorded in the past nearly 3,000 years, and the results fully coincided with the above-mentioned inference, showing that the moon was getting away gradually.
The tidal force is composed of a normal component (universal gravitation) and a tangential component (vorticity force). Exactly, the vorticity force enables the moon’s angular momentum to get away from the earth. The earth rotation rate gets lower because of the conservation of angular momentum in the process.
Quantitative Calculation:
Applicable formula: tangential component [vorticity force] Ft = kGMmωCosα/ r2
Basic Data:Cosα≈ 1
Basic Data:
Mass of the earth Me = 6×1024 kg,Moon-earth distance r = 38.4×107 m
mgh = m v2 /2 ①
v = aT ②
Average velocity of the moon in a week: v = =2v/π ③
Angular velocity difference: q = 1-1/30 = 29/30
v = 2aT/π, ω = 1/T
a = KGωM /r2 ④
mg = GMm/r2 ⑤
Daily departing distance of the moon from the earth: h = 2GK2 Mq/π2 r2
= 2×6.67×10-11×0.16×6×1024×29
(38.4×107)2×3.142×30
= 8.51×10-5m
Yearly departing distance of the moon from the earth: 8.51×10-5×365= 0.031m
The results are identical with the measured values.
The vortex theory is also applicable to the earth-moon system. The earth-rotation vorticity force acts on the moon. The moon receives exactly what the earth loses because of the conservation of angular momentum. The counterforce from the moon may cause great waves on the earth surface.

III. Precession of Mercury
Though the Newtonian mechanics met with immense successes time after time, people still found that a phenomenon i.e. perihelion precession of Mercury could not be interpreted. Both the observation and calculation conducted by Le Verrier showed: The perihelion precession of Mercury per 100 year was probably 40 angular seconds higher than the value calculated as per the Newtonian gravitation theory. He raised in 1845 that exceptional movement of Mercury was caused by an undiscovered planet that was referred to as “the Vulcan”. But the so-called Vulcan was not observed all the time. Newcomb, an astronomer from USA conducted more detailed calculations of precession of Mercury in 1882. The results showed that the perihelion precession of Mercury should be 43" per 100 years. People thought initially that the dispersed matter of giving out the zodiacal light damped the movement of Mercury. Someone attempted to interpret the phenomenon as per the electromagnetism theory afterwards. The both were ended in failure, without exception.

After the special relativity was put forward by Einstein, the precession of Mercury predicted as per the special relativity was only 1/6 of the actual observed result. The doubts and suspicions were not disambiguated before Einstein published the general theory of relativity.
Einstein thought that gravitation field of the sun was applicable to the Schwarzschild solutions, and the perihelion precession of Mercury might be interpreted. He thought that Mercury should move as per the mode of free particles in the Schwarzschild field, and its orbit should conform to the geodesic lines inside the curved space of the Schwarzschild metric.
Einstein described the vorticity field of gravitation by the advanced Riemann surface, and calculated the perihelion precession of Mercury by the assumption of the Schwarzschild metric. Nevertheless, the mathematics could not replace the physics after all. Therefore, the interpretation of precession of Mercury as per the general theory of relativity was also not perfect. Einstein once regarded the gravitation field of the sun as a gravitation field of spherical symmetry when he thought over it; however, that was only a approximation since the sun rotates one turn per 25 days such that its gravitation field was not complete spherical symmetry. The results of such influences were equivalent to a gravitation field generated by an oblate spheroid field, and this type of effect is referred to as solar ellipticity arose by rotation. *** and Gale Dernberger from USA measured in 1966 a solar ellipticity of 5.0 ± 0.7 ×10^-5. As per the result, it was estimated that 8% namely 3" in the precession effect 43" of Mercury was caused by the effect of solar ellipticity, in other words, if the actually observed result of solar ellipticity was taken into account, there would be a deviation of 3 second of arc between the calculated result as per the general theory of relativity and the actually observed result. And the deviation might be up to approximately 5 angular seconds if the influences of the medium damping and the error of precessional constant were taken into account.
Since the nine planets keep on rotating and simultaneously revolving round the sun counterclockwise, their revolution velocities are basically stable, including Mercury. However, as Mercury is the closest planet to the sun in the solar system and bears the maximum vorticity force from the sun, and the ellipse eccentricity of revolving orbit of Mercury is the highest (its eccentricity e = 0.2), the orbit-perihelion precession of Mercury is rated as the maximum among the nine planets. In order to approve the suppose, we might as well analyze and calculate its orbit as per the formula of vorticity force. About Precession of Mercury
1. Qualitative Analysis:
The ellipse revolving orbit of Mercury round sun is shown in the Figure. The sun is at the center, and the position 4 is the perihelion of major axis of Mercury orbit. Because the tangential component of universal gravitation exists, the horizontal component of its tangential acceleration “at” is aH (aH = atcosωt), its value is increased from zero to the maximum from position O to position 4 and decreased from the maximum to zero from position 4 to position 8, as shown in the Figure. The action of the 16 on aH pushes the upper part (0-4-8) of Mercury leftward and its lower part (8-12-0) rightward, therefore a rightward precession of major axis is generated in position 4, and a leftward precession of major axis is generated in position 12, and the directions are consistent with the directions (revolving counterclockwise) of tangential component of the universal gravitation. In a similar way, the right half (12-0-4) of the orbit moves upward and the left half moves downward such that precession also occurs in the minor axis of the orbit, and the precession of minor axis is caused by perpendicular component of the “at”.
2. Quantitative Calculation:
Basic Data:Mercury-sun distance: d = 0.58 ×1011 m(Averaged)
Mass of the sun Ms = 1.98 ×1030 kg
Sun-rotation angular velocity ωs = 4.64 ×10-7 rod/s
Mercury revolution period t = 88days = 7.6 ×106 s Sun rotation period: 25 days
Tangential acceleration of Mercury at = qKωsMsG/d2, averaged as a t = [2/π]×at ①
Angular velocity difference: q=1-25/88 = 0.716
Mercury-precession angular velocity when the sun rotates for one turn
= 1/2 a t (t)2 ×360°=2 qKωsMsG(t)2 ×360°
2πd 4π3 d3
= 2 × 0.716 × 0.4 × 4.64 × 10-7 × 1.98 × 10-7 × 6.67 × 10-11 × (25×24×3600)2 × 360
4 × 3.142 × (0.58 × 1011)3
= 7.6 ×10-6 degrees
100 years is equal to 1460 periods, thus the actual precession is 1.12 ×10-2 degrees.
Precession of Venus and the earth may be calculated as per the said formula. The comparison between the results calculated as per the said formula and the results calculated as per the general theory of relativity is given below:
Calculated as per the general theory of relativity Calculated as per vorticity force Measured value
Precession of Mercury 43″ 40″ 43.11″ + 0.45″
Precession of Venus 8.9″ 9.6″ 8.4″ + 4.8″
Precession of the Earth 3.8″ 4.4 ″ 5.0″ + 1.2″
The precession of Mercury calculated as per the vorticity force theory and formula, or calculated as per the general theory of relativity and Schwarzschild metric, is similar to the measured values. It may be said that the same goal is achieved with different means and formulas. The comparison between the two calculating methods is given below:
Precession angle at perihelion as per the general theory of relativity is:
= 24π2 d2
t2 c2 (1 –e2)
[Where, d indicates the semimajor axis length of revolution orbit of Mercury, e indicates the eccentricity, and t indicates the annual period of Mercury.]
While, the precession angle as per vorticity force formula is:
= 180KωsMsGqt2
π2d3
[Where, d indicates the semimajor axis length of revolution orbit of Mercury, t indicates the annual period of Mercury, K = 0.4 is a constant, ωs indicates the sun-rotation angular velocity, and Ms indicates the mass of the sun.]
As per the general theory of relativity, the precession angle is proportional to the square value of semimajor axis length, while the precession angle is inversely proportional to the cube value of semimajor axis length in the vorticity force formula. As per the general theory of relativity, the precession angle is inversely proportional to the square value of Mercury revolution period, while the precession angle is proportional to the square value of period in the vorticity force formula. This phenomenon is worthy of deep thinking.
The general theory of relativity, which abandons the traditional Euclidean space and adopts the Riemann surface space, may be said as extremely unpopular and abstruse; while the vorticity force theory follows the original Euclidean space and supplement a tangential component (namely vorticity force theory) into the Newtonian classical mechanics such that the calculation method may be greatly simple and convenient.

IV. Measuring Tangential Component (Vorticity Force) of Gravitation by Cavendish Torsion Balance Experiment
Newton published in 1686 his well-known law of universal gravitation, in which he proved through infinitesimal calculus that the gravitation borne by any well-distributed spheroid or gravitation applied by a well-distributed spheroid was identical with gravitation when all mass of the spheroid was concentrated at the center of a spheroid, namely:
F = GMm / r2 ①
"People can not evaluate the gravitation between two objects if he only knows the mass M•m of the two objects and the distance r between them(between barycenters), he must know the value of universal gravitation constant G. But, the value G is extraordinary low, and it is very difficult for people to directly determine the value of G. Over 100 years later, a British scientist Cavendish (Henry Cavendish) determined in 1798 the universal gravitation constant G through his ingenious and precise skills of “torsion balance” experiment. Up to now, the Cavendish torsion balance still serves as one of the most precise instrument for mechanical measurement.
People following Cavendish had measured and calculated the value of G again and again, and the acquired outcomes got more and more accurate. In 1928, a physicist P•R• Heyl from the American Bureau of Standards determined the value of G as 6.673 ×10-11 N. m2 / kg2. We shall note that the value is extremely small, and it is a standard applicable to the low gravitation measuring. Two 1-kg poises apart from each other for 1m may have a mutual attraction force of 1/20 billion gram each. The fact that the object may be attracted at a force of 1 kg even though it is 6400 kilometers apart from the earth's core shows us the gigantic mass of the earth. People “weighed” the earth exactly with the Cavendish torsion balance for the first time. It is inconceivable for people to weigh the mass of the planet namely earth with such a precise torsion balance.
As shown in Figure 1, the applied Cavendish torsion balance is set up inside a cell of special construction. People performs relevant manipulation, observation, and recording outside the cell. A fine copper wire is located in the middle, a small light-weight bar is hung with the wire, the hanging point is located at the center of the bar, both ends of the bar are attached with small shots m1 and m2 of equal mass, and two big shots M1 and M2 of equal mass are placed in front of m1 and behind m2 respectively. At this moment, m1 and M1 attract each other and M2 and m2 attract each other, the resulting moment pushes the fine bar to turn, the hanging wire is accordingly turned round, and the reflector at the center of the fine bar is turned for an angle which is proportional to the applied moment. Therefore, the gravitation between the big and small shots may be determined if only the angle is determined. The device is designed as per two most excellent design principles. The first is the transformation principle, namely Force → Moment→ Torsion Wire Declination → Light Cursor Displacement. The three transformations enable people to determine a small force. The other is the amplification principle, namely adopt a T-frame (fine bar and hanging wire form a T shape) to increase the arm of force, use a reflected light path to increase the declination, increase the interval between the small mirror and light cursor so as to increase the displacement. The three amplification enhance the measuring precision effectively. The fine bar is 182cm in length, with small shot m = 730 grams, big shot M = 158 kg, and vibration period T = 1680 second. Cavendish had conducted 29 sets of different experiments to determine the universal gravitation constant G, and acquired an average value of G = 6.717 ×10-11N.m2/kg2 . It is extraordinary approximate to the current standard value.
The principle of Cavendish torsion balance used presently is similar to that in those years, but a small-scale construction is adopted, with a gross weight of approximately 8kg (including big shots). To avoid the interference of air currents, static electricity and magnetic force, the hanging wire, T-frame and testing small shots are enclosed. While the big shots are not enclosed so as to facilitate relevant operation. The price of such Cavendish torsion balance is lower than 2,000 Yuan, so the device is applicable to classroom demonstration and experiment conducted by students. Laser is adopted as its light source so as to ensure more accurate readings. It is inexplicable that many undergraduate graduated from department of physics of well-known universities had not conducted this experiment and many students even had not caught sight of a Cavendish torsion balance. Somebody even said it is extraordinary difficult to conduct the experiment because it shall be conducted in a high-vacuum environment. Here, let us enter into a laboratory, conduct survey circumambience of the rotating sphere by a Cavendish torsion balance, and find out the secret existing around the rotating sphere.
Experiment: Measuring the Normal and Tangential Components (Vorticity Force) of the Universal Gravitation by Cavendish Torsion Balance
1. For the experiment, a universal gravitation detector NC-K manufactured in 1985 by Science and Education Instrument Plant affiliated to the East China Normal University shall be adopted. The hanging wire and T-member of the instrument are properly enclosed such that the interference of air current and static electricity can be avoided.
Gravitation constants G = π2 b2 ds / MT2 L ②
Where, M: Mass of big shot T: Vibration period of torsion balance
b: Distance between big shot center and small shots center d: Arm length of small shot
L: Luminous-point projection distance (measurable)
s: Luminous-point displacement distance (measurable)
The gravitation constants we determined in the past years are relatively accurate, and the latest experiment is shown below:
T = 220 s b = 4.61 ×10-2 m
d = 5.0 ×10-2 m s = 1.13 ×10-2 m
M = 1.5 kg L = 2.70 m
Considering the attraction of M2 to m1 and the attraction of M1 to m2, it is required to have the values multiplied by a correction coefficient (1 + 0.073), and have the data substituted in:
G = (1 + 0.073) × 3.142 × (4.61 × 10-2)2 × 5.0 × 10-2 ×1.13 ×10-2
1.5 × 2202 ×2.70
= 6.50 ×10-11 N m2/kg2
Error E = 6.67 × 10-11 -6.5 × 10-11 ③
6.67 ×10-11 = 2.55%
Have ② substituted into ① to evaluate the gravitation that is referred to as the normal component Fn of the universal gravitation.
2. To determine the force applied on a small shot by a rotating big shot, the experiment must be designed over again. As shown in Figure 2, place the big shot on a swivel table, with the equatorial plane of the big shot close to the small shot and its rotation axis perpendicular to the horizontal plane. When you view the big shot from its obverse side at this moment, and you may find that the big shot is not over against the small shot but is on the side of the small shot: Since it is hard to fulfill frontal attack, outflanking tactics may be applied, and this is one of the key points of the new conception. To avoid vibrations, place the swivel table and the torsion balance on two experiment tables respectively that are close to but do not abut on each other, cushion the legs of the tables with soft pads for vibration isolation, and magnetic shield shall be arranged for the small shots.
Turn the big shot slowly and steadily and find out that the laser point is moved (usually after 1 cycle is completed). Determine the traveling direction of the small shot which is along the tangent direction of the big shot rotation, as shown in the top view in Figure 2. The existing universal gravitation which is the normal component indicated as Fn points to the mass center; the newly discovered force is perpendicular to the normal component, is called the tangential component along the tangent direction and have it indicated as Ft. Several small experiments shown as follow will be taken to further investigate Ft.
1) The big shot is a shot of 1500g, with mass center interval of 7.5cm, counterclockwise as positive, clockwise as negative. Light point of the device travels for 1mm, with a force of approximately 2.50×10-10 Newton.
Table 1
Big-shot rotation direction Traveling distance mm Rotational velocity (r/s)
Counterclockwise 0.5 1.0
Counterclockwise 0.6 1.0
Counterclockwise 0.4 1.0
Counterclockwise 0.5 1.0
Clockwise -0.4 1.0
Clockwise -0.5 1.0
Clockwise -0.6 1.0
Counterclockwise 0.25 0.5
Counterclockwise 0.3 0.5
Counterclockwise 0.2 0.5
Clockwise -0.3 0.5
Clockwise -0.2 0.5
Clockwise -0.25 0.5
Show Table 1 as a figure, shown in Figure 3

Brief summary: (1) The force direction of small shot conforms to the tangent direction of the big shot rotation
(2) The force is related with the rotational velocity, similar to straight line dependence , Ft∝ω
2) Researching in the mass relationship of Ft
The rotating big shots are a poise of 1kg, a poise of 500g, and a hollow copper ball of 50g respectively, with a mass center distance of 7.5cm
Category of big shots Traveling distance (mm) Rotational velocity ω/2π
Poise of 1kg 0.4 1.0
0.3 1.0
Poise of 500g 0.2 1.0
0.15 1.0
Hollow copper ball of 50g 0.00 1.0
0.00 1.0
Conclusions: (1) Ft is related with mass, similar to straight line dependence, namely Ft∝M;
(2) Though the diameter of the hollow copper ball is similar to other rotating big shots, the Ft generated by its rotation is very low due to its too small mass; in addition, good sealing property (such as free of interference of air current) of the instrument is also proved in the experiments,.

3) Researching in direction of the forces: Big shot is a shot of 1500g with mass center distance of 7.5cm, as shown in Figure 4.
Deviation angle A Displacement (mm) Angular velocity ω/2π
30° 0.1 1.0
60° 0.25 1.0
90° 0.00 1.0
0° 0.5 1.0


Brief summary: Direction of Ft is perpendicular to the connecting line between mass centers of the two shots, identical with the tangent direction of big shot rotation.
4) Researching in the relationship between the Ft and the mass center (big shot is a shot of 1500g).

Mass center interval Displacement (mm) Angular velocity ω/2π
7.5cm 0.50 1.0
7.5cm 0.50 1.0
10.00cm 0.25 1.0
10.00cm 0.25 1.0
Brief summary: F1∝1/r2
Conclusion: As shown in Figure 5, when the shot M rotates, the gravitation between the two shots contains not only a normal component Fn, but also a tangent component Ft, namely F = Fn + Ft. ④
In the equation ④, normal component Fn = GMm/r2, with its direction pointing to the mass center of the opposite one: Ft indicates the tangential component that is perpendicular to Fn and conforms to the tangent direction of the rotating shot, as shown in Figure 5:
Ft = KGMmωcosα / r2 ⑤
In the equation ⑤, ω indicates the rotation angular velocity of the big shot, in r/s; k = 0.40s/r is a proportionality coefficient, α indicates the contained angle between the mass-center connecting line of the two shots and the connecting line’s projection on the maximum rotation surface (similar to the equatorial plane of the earth) in which the mass center of the rotating shot lies.
If the two shots are kept in inactive state or the both fails to cut gravitation lines mutually, then F = Fn and Ft = 0, this is exactly the existing law of universal gravitation, however, there is no celestial body that does not rotate and travel inside the boundless and indistinct universe after all.
In the equation ④, Fn indicates the conservative force, therefore, ▽×Fn = 0 ⑥
Ft indicates the vorticity force, therefore ▽×F≠0 ⑦

II. Two Precautions for Calculation:
1. Similar to an engine, the rotating sphere transfers the energy by its cycles. For example, the sun transfer energy to its planets, and the sun transfers equal amount of energy to the planets every cycle of the sun rotation.
2. Since the testing sphere (namely the small shot on T-frame of Cavendish torsion balance) stands still while the planets keep on traveling with revolution velocity, the relative angular velocity difference must be taken into account. For example, 10-cycles rotation of the sun spends 250 days while 1- cycle revolution of Mercury lasts for 88 days; within the 250 days, Mercury revolve round the sun for nearly three turns in the same direction as sun-rotating direction, and the angular velocity difference is q=1-25/88=0.716.
While, the moon revolves round the earth, therefore, the vorticity force acting on the moon is considerably lower. According to the theory of frame dragging of the general theory of relativity, a frame dragging shall be produced around a celestial body when it rotates. The distance greater, the space-time dragging velocity is lower. However, the dragged velocity is certain for a position that is located at a certain distance from the celestial body. If the moon stands still, the vorticity force acting on the moon may be calculated as per formula 15. Since the moon rotates and is also provided with a revolution velocity, the vorticity force brought by the earth onto the moon is extremely low. All the nine planets in the solar system keep on rotating and also keep on revolving round the sun counterclockwise. Therefore the vorticity force brought by the sun onto the planets is extremely low, and their revolution velocities are basically stable after a running-in process of scores of billion years.
Comparison Table of Radiuses, Rotation Periods, masses, Autorotation Forces, and Number of Satellites of the Sun, the Moon, the Earth and the Other Eight Planets:
Designation Radius r Rotation period T Mass M Vorticity force Ft = KGMmωcosα /r2 Number of satellites
The earth 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0
The sun 109 25 5
3×10 1.01 9
The moon 0.272 30 0.012 0.0054 0
Mercury 0.38 59 0.055 0.0065 0
Venus 0.95 244 0.82 0.0037 0
Mars 0.53 1.026 0.11 0.38 2
Jupiter 11.2 0.41 318 6.18 61
Saturn 9.4 0.44 95 2.44 31
Uranus 3.8 0.7 14.5 1.43 22
Neptune 3.9 0.76 17 1.47 12
Pluto 0.5 6.4 0.17 0.106 1
Comparing the eight planets, it is not difficult to find out that the plants with similar mass and high autorotation force may possess more satellites, in reverse, possess little or even no satellite. Jupiter has the highest autorotation force and possesses the maximum member of satellites among the nine planets; the autorotation force of Saturn is rated as the second one and possesses the second maximum number of satellites. Though Venus is larger than Mars, it not only possesses no natural satellite, but also still more difficult for it to capture an artificial satellite because its autorotation force is lower than 1% of that of Mars.
It seems to be certain that the delegate in the field of gravitation theories must be Keppler, Newton and Einstein. Remarkableness is that two among the three delegates agreed that vortex could be generated around the planet or fixed star when they kept on rotating. Keppler imagined that gravitation acted as wheel spokes, which on the one hand could maintain the planets on their orbit and could not escape (namely the normal component), and on the other hand, could forced the planets to revolve round the sun (namely the tangential component) with the rotation of the sun. The general theory of relativity set forth by Einstein still contains a forecast i.e. frame dragging to be validated that is rarely known by the people: When a planet or fixed star rotates in a space, it may drag the space-time around itself. This phenomenon is extremely similar to the following case: When you place a ball into a bowl filled with water and allow the ball to rotate, the frictional force generated on the surface of the ball may drag the water along its rotating direction. The water close to the ball may rotate at a higher velocity, and the dragging effect gets poorer for the water further away the ball. In 1918, two Austrian physicists Joseph Lense and Hans Thirring thought that an object (especially big-mass object) might generate extra effect and twisted the space-time when it rotated. That case is similar to a case, in which a rotating wooden ball may slightly drag the surrounding air, while the “wooden ball” namely the earth may drag exactly the space-time around it.
The Newtonian theory does not acknowledge the phenomenon that vortex may be generated when a celestial body rotates, therefore the Newtonian theory fails to explain either the “precession of Mercury” or the “velocity decrement of space probes”. Moreover, the Newtonian theory is felt to be simply helpless when handling a lot of astronomical phenomena such as angular momentum of the solar system and the inverse rotation of Venus etc. ……
Practice is the only criterion by which a theory can be verified. A conclusion drawn in a laboratory must also be verified by practice before it can become a theory. Based on long-term research, with the aid of a Cavendish torsion balance, Mr. Zhu Yonghuan proved in 2001 that the universal gravitation contained not only a normal component (namely universal gravitation raised by Newton), but also a tangential component, and a formula as follows had been drawn:
F = Fn + Ft
Normal component Fn = GMm /r2
Tangential component [vorticity force]Ft = kGMmωCosα/r2
Where, K = 0.4 is a coefficient, ω indicates the angular velocity of a rotating sphere in revolution/second; α indicates the orbit obliquity; Since the nine planets always stay in the equatorial plane of the sun, Cosα ≈ 1 is set.
In the world, any mature theory is based on repeated experiments, any new theory may be recognized, accepted, and finally applied by people through a considerably long process, just like Einstein vs. Newton. The universal gravitation, whose status in the 19th century is similar to the status of the Theory of Relativity nowadays, was surpassed finally. Of course, the Theory of Relativity was not raised in one day, and also could not be accepted in one day. This is exactly the glamour of science, which may stand any trial and may be surely accepted. I am a physics teacher of a middle school, skilled in manufacturing of teaching aids and experiments. On the basis of the deep love and perseverance to science, through research with great concentration for many years, I discovered the evidence of existence of the “vorticity force” finally and drew new mechanics formula that had been verified repeatedly. Nevertheless, due to the people's relatively conservative attitude towards science in China, this theory has neither been propagated in a wider range, nor accepted, nor applied though it had been published and regarded as positive by many experts, and a certain amount of disputes and points of disagreement had been aroused.
As everyone knows, both the satellite and the spacecraft launching may be confronted with a problem that a considerable error from the scheduled positions may occur every day. The application of many empirical formulas may have the problems solved. If the vorticity force formula is applied in relevant calculation, both accuracy and simpleness can be guaranteed. The vorticity force and its formula can not only solve the problems of the fundament physics, but also bring along a series of breakthrough revolution in the actual applications.
Reference:
1. Zhou Yanbai, Lectures of Theoretical Mechanics (Edition 1), Beijing: People's Education Publishing House, in April 1979
2. Pan Yongxiang, A Brief History of Natural Science (Edition 1), Peking University Press, Dec. 1984
3. F. W .SEARS Etc., College Physics, Mar. 1979
4. I.A.SIMOV., The Earth and the Atmosphere, 1972
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11. Measuring Tangential Component of Gravitation by Cavendish Torsion Balance Experiment, Physics Bulletin 2002.09
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13. Mysterious Vorticity Force, a Companion of Universal Gravitation, the 21st Publishing House, Mar. 2005

Enclosed: Resume of the Author
Zhu Yonghuan: Born on Nov. 23, 1949, Han nationality, graduated from Jiangxi Normal College Nanchang Branch, serving as senior teacher and director of the Physics / Chymistry / Biology Laboratory of Nanchang No. 1 Railway Middle School for 12 years
I. Prizes Obtained
1. Outstanding teacher in 1995 by Nanchang railway branch bureau
2. Outstanding teacher in 2002 by Nanchang railway branch bureau
3. Outstanding experimental teacher in 2004 in Nanchang
4. The Ampere's Force Experimental Provision made by myself was awarded with the First Prize by Nanchang Municipal Education Commission, the Second Prize by the Provincial Education Commission, and submitted to the 2th Assessment though Comparison of Self-Made Physics Experimental Teaching Aids held by State Education Commission in 1987.
5. “Tinner Scattering Three-Dimensional Display Device” made by myself in 1995 was awarded with the First Prize by Nanchang Municipal Education Commission, the Second Prize by the Provincial Education Commission, participation prize by State Education Commission, with a national patent taken out.
6. “Optic Phenomenon Three-Dimensional Demonstrator” was awarded with the excellent prize at the 7th Annual Meeting of the East China Physics Teaching and Research Society in 1996.
7. “Laser Pen Optic Experimental Apparatus” was awarded with the second prize of Jiangxi Provincial Course-Reform Achievement, with a national patent taken out
8. Nanchang Municipal Teaching-Aid Self-Making Expert in May 2006 .
9. Jiangxi Provincial Teaching-Aid Self-Making Expert in July 2006.

II. Thesis and Treatises
1. Tinner Scattering Three-Dimensional Optic Display Device, Physics Bulletin 1996.5
2. Measuring Tangential Component of Gravitation by Cavendish Torsion Balance Experiment, Physics Bulletin 2002.09
3. Mysterious Vorticity Force, a Companion of Universal Gravitation, e-book by Jiangxi Education Publishing House, 2003.03
4. Mysterious Vorticity Force, a Companion of Universal Gravitation, the 21st Publishing House, Mar. 2005

gdaigle
The theoretical Alcubierre superluminal warp drive has been found to be unstable when quantum mechanics is taken into account. So is it time for D&H to revive their theory of parallel space for FTL travel due to different values for G and c within the influence of the positive gravito-photonic field?

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/
http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.0141
djolds1
New Summary Paper:

http://www.hpcc-space.de/publications/docu...toMarch2009.pdf
gravitophoton
Please note:

Eric W. Davis: Review of Gravity Control Within Newtonian and General Relativistic Physics; page 218 - 221: Heim´s Quantum Theory for Space Propulsion.
in: Marc G. Millis (et al.): Frontiers of Propulsion Science. American Inst. of Aeronautics & Astronautics, Reston 2009, ISBN 1-56347-956-7
gdaigle
More evidence for quintessence (Gq). In an article "Is dark energy getting weaker?" data suggests that acceleration of space is slowing down.

"Yet if dark energy is changing, the cosmological constant could not be the driver. Instead, it would suggest far more exotic physics at work. It might even mean dark energy does not exist at all. One example of an exotic origin is "quintessence", a theoretical quantum field that permeates space like the as-yet-unidentified field thought to have driven inflation right after the big bang. This field could be dissipating and losing energy, eventually causing the universe to decelerate and collapse back on itself."
Aero
I was just re-reading some articles, and I wonder if there are any more current papers available? In particular, more current than this: http://www.hpcc-space.com/publications/doc...Abbreviated.pdf
I'm wondering what "special material" is used for the spinning disk? As it reads now, skeptics will equate "special material" to "Unobtainium," which is not good.
gdaigle
Aero, this link will give the most recent documents on their site. However, not much that is new other than the Sacramento talk:

http://www.hpcc-space.de/publications/documents/?C=M;O=D
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